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Thread: SIG Brace Declared Illegal to Shoulder By The ATF

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    Yes, that's correct. Thanks for the reference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Armament View Post
    Over a half inch bore diameter and non-sporting = destructive device.

    Remove the sporting clause from the GCA and they won't be DDs anymore.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Armament View Post
    Nominal bore diameter is .729".
    Meant to say more than .50. Correction noted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Yes, that's correct. Thanks for the reference.

    It's the "non sporting" part that got them. They have the same bore diameter as any other 12 ga. shotgun. Being imports they should have simply been subject to the 89 Import Ban, which they were.

    But this isn't simply a matter of failing the "sporter clause" of GCA 68. These became destructive devices and as a result an NFA item. This happened about a decade AFTER they were imported if my memory is correct.
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    It's the government. Were you really expecting anything different?
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    Is It Even Real?

    How did this "new" ATF letter get to the Internet and is it a real ATF opinion letter to Anthony Crawford?

    Most ATF letters that have been posted online come with some kind of background from the person posting them or a description of the source. This letter, dated November 10, 2014 just magically appeared in multiple forums and the ongoing discussions ensued.

    Letter with "Anthony Crawford" and business name (unreadable)


    Letter with name covered
    Last edited by DWood; 12-28-14 at 12:56.
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    soo.... an SB-15 is not a stock unless used as one, but a AFG is not a forward grip even if it is being used as one ?

    Am I missing something here ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcard600 View Post
    soo.... an SB-15 is not a stock unless used as one, but a AFG is not a forward grip even if it is being used as one ?

    Am I missing something here ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpmuscle View Post
    Welcome to the twilight zone......
    Even Rod Serling couldn't make up something as fantastical and logic defying as this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcard600 View Post
    soo.... an SB-15 is not a stock unless used as one, but a AFG is not a forward grip even if it is being used as one ?

    Am I missing something here ?
    Yes.

    The Magpul Angled Fore Grip is not a Vertical Fore Grip.

    https://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2...fore-grip.html
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