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Thread: SIG Brace Declared Illegal to Shoulder By The ATF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Armament View Post
    Yes.

    The Magpul Angled Fore Grip is not a Vertical Fore Grip.

    https://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2...fore-grip.html
    Thats not the point he was making. Atf said the Sig brace is not a stock... But now they say (allegedly) that using it like a stock makes it a stock and is illegal. Even though using the afg like a vfg is still legal. Same principle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpmuscle View Post
    Thats not the point he was making. Atf said the Sig brace is not a stock... But now they say (allegedly) that using it like a stock makes it a stock and is illegal. Even though using the afg like a vfg is still legal. Same principle.

    Bingo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911-A1 View Post
    They're well aware of the loopholes already. What makes you think writing letters does anything to "bring them to their attention"?

    Writing a letter forces them to establish a ruling on the subject matter. It is a guidance about how a potential case will be prosecuted on the governments side and sets a precedence. Gun companies follow this and will remove product from the market. An example of this is factory Benelli magazine extensions. Some asshole had to write a letter back in 2004 and these got pulled off the market.

    Not writing a letter, lets sleeping dogs lie and lets people keep doing what they have been doing.
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    I'm going to write a letter to the ATF and ask their opinion about writing letters...maybe they'll change their stance on only start accepting emails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JulyAZ View Post
    I'm going to write a letter to the ATF and ask their opinion about writing letters...maybe they'll change their stance on only start accepting emails.
    Just spam them with thousands of copies. They can't put opinion letters in a timely manner if they can't keep up lol. Denial of service blah blah
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    The Nov. 10th letter doesn't CHANGE a damn thing.
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    I'm surprised at all of the people who like to support 2A, but only in the way that suits them. Like all of the sbr owners that hate the sig brace.

    I'm not ragging on any of the board members here, it's human nature. I know I have a self serving bias too.

    Unintended consequences from the visibility this has gotten is what concerns me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbx View Post
    I'm surprised at all of the people who like to support 2A, but only in the way that suits them. Like all of the sbr owners that hate the sig brace.

    I'm not ragging on any of the board members here, it's human nature. I know I have a self serving bias too.

    Unintended consequences from the visibility this has gotten is what concerns me.
    Similar to hunters that rag on the tactical crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbx View Post
    I'm surprised at all of the people who like to support 2A, but only in the way that suits them. Like all of the sbr owners that hate the sig brace.

    I'm not ragging on any of the board members here, it's human nature. I know I have a self serving bias too.

    Unintended consequences from the visibility this has gotten is what concerns me.
    my thoughts exactly. i've read over the numerous forums & just can't figure out the animosity towards the sig brace & exuberance over this letter. the same folks will be shouting to the mountaintops when something is ruled on that has an effect on them. just remember, give them an inch & they will take a mile.

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    When they locked up the social democrats,
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    When they came for the trade unionists,
    I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.

    When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;
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    When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpmuscle View Post
    Thats not the point he was making. Atf said the Sig brace is not a stock... But now they say (allegedly) that using it like a stock makes it a stock and is illegal. Even though using the afg like a vfg is still legal. Same principle.
    I hope someone doesn't write a letter to clarify it.
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