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Thread: SIG Brace Declared Illegal to Shoulder By The ATF

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    The ATF will not make a ruling on the SB15 if they don't have to. The reason is that if they do make the SB15 illegal, they would make the current owners of SB15s register their weapons as SBRs and the ATF would have to eat the $200 tax stamp. The ATF is the only government agency that makes money so that would surely make a dent in incoming Gov funds.
    So this is their way of scaring people into not shouldering the SB15.
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    This is idiotic. What if I hold my carbine in one hand and shoot it like a pistol, then am I violating the law? They need to clarify a lot of things and granted it may be hard for this government agency to keep up with industry innovations. But I think they should take a hands off approach unless something is actively violating the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jesuvuah View Post
    Thies really does not clear anything up. You now have 2 opinion letters with apposing veiws. This also opens up the window of just about anything. Does a 1 poing sling turn a pistol into a rifle if slung around the shoulder. Does a bare buffer tube become a stock if placed against the shoulder. If you take an ak pistol with nothing on the back end, and brace it at your hip, does your hip become a buttstock because it is connected to your shoulder?
    This is actually easy. SIG brace is still legal and fine so long as you use it "as advertised" and strap it to your forearm.

    But the exact same weapon, put to the should and fired like a rifle is ILLEGAL. It's a lot like a shoestring or magnet are perfectly legal UNTIL you use them in such a way that the result is repeated fire from a single trigger pull.

    That said, honestly I'm surprised it has remained technically legal as an arm brace. But as people keep writing letters, I'm sure that will be corrected shortly. And you can thank the "bubba crowd" who is unwilling to spend $200 to register a correct SBR for this situation.

    The SBR registry didn't get closed in 1986, if you want a SBR for chrissakes just do it the easy way. The only reason for anyone to use a SIG brace is if they live in a ban state and that is as close as they can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Just about anything can be shouldered, therefore the whole affair is silly.

    Pretty soon there will be an ATF ruling that putting two hands on a pistol is counter to the definition.
    This is NOTHING compared to past rulings. This is the same agency that declared an "empty volume of air" constitutes a machine gun.
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    I would think some of you would do a better job of hiding your glee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    This is actually easy. SIG brace is still legal and fine so long as you use it "as advertised" and strap it to your forearm.

    But the exact same weapon, put to the should and fired like a rifle is ILLEGAL. It's a lot like a shoestring or magnet are perfectly legal UNTIL you use them in such a way that the result is repeated fire from a single trigger pull.

    That said, honestly I'm surprised it has remained technically legal as an arm brace. But as people keep writing letters, I'm sure that will be corrected shortly. And you can thank the "bubba crowd" who is unwilling to spend $200 to register a correct SBR for this situation.

    The SBR registry didn't get closed in 1986, if you want a SBR for chrissakes just do it the easy way. The only reason for anyone to use a SIG brace is if they live in a ban state and that is as close as they can get.
    This same logic says that anyone who shoots a pistol with two hands on it has converted their pistol to an AOW and is subject to the same legal implications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    And you can thank the "bubba crowd" who is unwilling to spend $200 to register a correct SBR for this situation.
    Not always the case. I have a legal SBR, but also an AR pistol truck gun I'm still planning on adding the Sig brace to. I'm not too cheap to pony up $200 and be put on a list I shouldn't have to be on. Other stupid laws are why a pistol is better to have as a truck gun. Many areas have laws against having a loaded long gun in a vehicle, yet with a License to carry a handgun, you're OK. I can't take my SBR on vacation with me out of state because their stupid laws require me to get a "permission slip" prior to the trip. I can, however, take my "pistol". I love my SBR, but I don't want to leave it in my truck. It represents a 9 month long hassle I went through to get it. That, and it being on a federal list kinda makes it a liability to have as a truck gun. Therefore, I also need a pistol version of my AR to stay in compliance with all these other stupid laws, or travel with just a standard pistol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Robison View Post
    Yep, ask a question enough times and eventually you'll get the answer you don't want to hear.
    I'm trying to figure out how writing letters to the ATF somehow caused them to "punish" gun owners by declaring it illegal.

    Blaming gun owners for the ruling is diverting blame from the responsible party: A government organization with no oversight that contradicts its own rulings and muddies the waters of the NFA.

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    It's like my son asking the same question over and over. First 10 times... "Yes, Yes I already answered you." Next time... "You know what? Forget it!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    This is actually easy. SIG brace is still legal and fine so long as you use it "as advertised" and strap it to your forearm.

    But the exact same weapon, put to the should and fired like a rifle is ILLEGAL. It's a lot like a shoestring or magnet are perfectly legal UNTIL you use them in such a way that the result is repeated fire from a single trigger pull.

    That said, honestly I'm surprised it has remained technically legal as an arm brace. But as people keep writing letters, I'm sure that will be corrected shortly. And you can thank the "bubba crowd" who is unwilling to spend $200 to register a correct SBR for this situation.

    The SBR registry didn't get closed in 1986, if you want a SBR for chrissakes just do it the easy way. The only reason for anyone to use a SIG brace is if they live in a ban state and that is as close as they can get.

    Nope, putting it in your shoulder is still legal.
    Also, the notion that there is a "right" way to follow the law is ludicrous.

    Pistols are legal in cars, nothing else is, SBR means nothing and should not exist anyway, so don't tell me I'm cheap or a bubba because I don't want to waste range time loading mags and have a functional/useful gun.

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