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Thread: SIG Brace Declared Illegal to Shoulder By The ATF

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    You really think most people will give a damn about selling them? Boy, you sure are pretty slick, beating the rush and all!

    It's still legal to have on your AR pistol; don't be an idiot and shoulder it at a public range and don't post pics to Facebook or videos to YouTube. Pretty simple. I have a home range, the public ain't welcome, and I don't shoot with ATF agents so I'm not running to the EE to "dump" mine.
    Yes. And thank you.
    Im not trying to tell anyone what to do. No one can tell the future, but in MY OPINION the "value" of the brace to 99.9% of owners is to get around having to sbr a lower. When the ATFs stance becomes more public knowledge (through other forums and gun store convos ect) I would suspect a majority of people to shy away from the idea. It's nice you have a private range, but you are not the norm and most people HAVE to shoot at a public range. Therefore the "value" i.e. what someone is willing to pay and the likelihood of them purchasing one will go down. That combined with the increase of second hand sales from people who don't want to chance it, that I believe will be great, and you have an overall decrease in price.
    Do I KNOW that is going to happen? No
    But either way, I sold mine for what I paid so I didn't lose money. And I am ending up with a proper SBR (oh no!).
    I'm not mad about selling mine bro . Do what you want.

    ETA: Also, it would seem that people cannot refrain from being stupid and posting videos and pictures of them shouldering one. That is why this whole issue developed.
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    Earlier today, I was at one shop, transferring an upper/lower set and the guy got a call for a Sig brace. He had one left in stock....$145 and FDE. Dude showed up before I had even left....cash in hand, "super-excited to get one before they're removed from the market".

    20 min later at another shop (much larger), I watched a customer and no less than three employees shouldering an AR pistol with brace they'd just mounted a laser on (top of rail) to see if it interfered with the sight picture. I stood there SMFH.

    Oh, what a mess this is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dentron View Post
    ...ETA: Also, it would seem that people cannot refrain from being stupid and posting videos and pictures of them shouldering one. That is why this whole issue developed.
    People were stupid for filming themselves doing something that was completely legal?

    I swear to God, we are our own worst enemy. And I'm not talking about the goobers who feel the need to post photos and videos of themselves on the Internet. I'm talking about the members of our subculture who think those who dare to flip off our bureaucratic betters are the problem.

    Our forefathers would be ashamed of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frailer View Post
    People were stupid for filming themselves doing something that was completely legal?
    This. I posted a pic on a local FB group for selling/trading firearms and the immediate response was "nice felony". I posted the pic a week ago when I posted the parts for sale.....the pic was taken last fall, while there was no issue in shouldering it based on BATFE letters to that point. And, the pic was of a friend's 13yo daughter seated at the range, shooting it (not me). From the angle of it, the only thing that was clear was that her cheek was on the brace and the front was on the red rifle support the range makes available.

    I've since deleted the pic....the gun has been parted out and the brace posted on eBay for someone else to deal with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frailer View Post

    Our forefathers would be ashamed of us.
    Our forefathers carried rifles that were 6' long and fired a single shot at a time. I'm pretty sure they would have loved a Sig braced pistol.
    Go in peace, but be prepared for violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frailer View Post
    People were stupid for filming themselves doing something that was completely legal?

    I swear to God, we are our own worst enemy. And I'm not talking about the goobers who feel the need to post photos and videos of themselves on the Internet. I'm talking about the members of our subculture who think those who dare to flip off our bureaucratic betters are the problem.

    Our forefathers would be ashamed of us.
    I know it WAS completely legal, but the videos and pictures along with all the letters ARE WHAT CAUSED ALL OF THIS.
    Flip off whoever you want. But in the matter of the brace legality, the ones doing the "flipping off" are the problem. You can blame the laws and ATF (which I believe are the greater problem) but common sense would argue that their tendency to handle issues in this way are well known.

    So, do I have anything personal against anyone? No I've already stated that I sold my brace and am going to go the SBR route. That was my CHOICE. CHOOSE to do what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dentron View Post
    I know it WAS completely legal, but the videos and pictures along with all the letters ARE WHAT CAUSED ALL OF THIS.
    Flip off whoever you want. But in the matter of the brace legality, the ones doing the "flipping off" are the problem. You can blame the laws and ATF (which I believe are the greater problem) but common sense would argue that their tendency to handle issues in this way are well known.

    So, do I have anything personal against anyone? No I've already stated that I sold my brace and am going to go the SBR route. That was my CHOICE. CHOOSE to do what you want.
    The "problem" is that too many of us will change our behavior because some trumped-up bureaucrat wrote a memo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frailer View Post
    The "problem" is that too many of us will change our behavior because some trumped-up bureaucrat wrote a memo.
    If you don't want to comply, don't. Actually it may help clear up things if someone goes ahead and gets prosecuted so we can have an actual precedent in place.
    Do I think a prosecution is likely? No, but to me it's not worth the potential hassle. The brace was supposed to be easy now I think the SBR is an easier and better route.

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    Now the Sig brace is completely worthless and stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by JG007 View Post
    Now the Sig brace is completely worthless and stupid
    I'll keep them on my pistols when I SBR them. They work fine as stocks.
    Go in peace, but be prepared for violence.

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