SIG Brace Declared Illegal to Shoulder By The ATF

[Dump1567]

It's the first link under Firearm Industry News on ATF's website:

http://www.atf.gov/content/Firearms/firearms-industry

And for those that want to subscribe to ATF e-mails.

https://service.govdelivery.com/acco...ic_id=USATF_42

[Hot Holster]

Yes, but... Numerous states restrict SBRs due to barrel length and they require a CLEO or trust. Unfortunate but foreseeable outcome.

Does anyone have an update on the status of Obama executive actions to shut down the use of trusts?

Thanks for the wake up, I didn't think about the states that prohibit them.

[MarkB1]

Yes, but... Numerous states restrict SBRs due to barrel length and they require a CLEO or trust. Unfortunate but foreseeable outcome.

Does anyone have an update on the status of Obama executive actions to shut down the use of trusts?

Here is a post from Sigform that has some recent info.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc...3?r=6880007073

[shaocaholica]

Just a few (really out there) thought experiments. Please don't take this too seriously, its just for 'fun'.

1)Bare vanilla buffer tubes are covered (indirectly) in the 2015 ATF letter right? Or no?

Here's the crazy part:

2)You would never want to do this, just a thought experiment! What if you shouldered an AR pistol on someone elses shoulder (and fired it)? Safety not withstanding since this is just a thought experiment more to do with the ATF letter than real world application. Would either person be in breach of ATF opinion?


I'm also waiting to see more people posting images and videos online showing them shouldering the brace....on an airsoft gun(or unfinished 80% lower) will full disclosure that its not a gun. This might bring awareness to the fact that any burden of proof should also include that the gun pictured is in fact a real gun and not a replica.

[TAZ]

Who knows. The way the ATF has been they may just make it retroactive to 1933.

And then change their minds and revoke the grandfathering.

[threeheadeddog]

It may have been stated here already and I missed it, but I am curious since it is illegal to make a pistol out of a rifle if you take a sig brace and put it on a rifle and then use it as intended(straping it to forearm) have you illegally made a pistol.

[themonk]

It may have been stated here already and I missed it, but I am curious since it is illegal to make a pistol out of a rifle if you take a sig brace and put it on a rifle and then use it as intended(straping it to forearm) have you illegally made a pistol.

Yes. You can make a pistol a rifle but you can't make a rifle a pistol.

[shaocaholica]

It may have been stated here already and I missed it, but I am curious since it is illegal to make a pistol out of a rifle if you take a sig brace and put it on a rifle and then use it as intended(straping it to forearm) have you illegally made a pistol.

Firing a rifle with one hand with a sig brace(or any other way) does not make it a pistol according to any legal wording. The only touchy subject is whether a pistol becomes a SB(Rifle) or AOW just by the way its held and/or fired.

Even for pistol braces, do you need to fire the weapon in order to cross the ATF opinion letter line? What if I brought a sig braced pistol to the range and a buddy picked it up to inspect and shoulders it without firing? Has that buddy crossed that line?

What if I hug the pistol across my chest and the brace touches my shoulder, is that crossing the line?

[kknick]

Not going to read above to see if this has been posted yet...


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...l-shoulder-ok/


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[domestique]

Not going to read above to see if this has been posted yet...


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...l-shoulder-ok/


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