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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBK View Post
    Have you thought about just using an ASR MAAD and an adapter to fit your F1 suppressor (threaded for adapter)?
    That would be too easy now wouldn't it

    But yeah, I've thought about it. One thing is I'm teaching myself machining and it's as much to see if I can do it as anything else. Another is my current concept for my can is rather short and fat, specifically sized to blend with this 8" 300BO setup I have. I want to keep good suppression while keeping OAL as short as I possibly can. By my estimate, adapting a MAAD would add an extra inch or so that I'd like to avoid if possible. I've thought about maybe reflexing the can itself over the MAAD adapter but I'm not sure how goofy it would look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBK View Post
    Have you thought about just using an ASR MAAD and an adapter to fit your F1 suppressor (threaded for adapter)?
    That's the route I'd go if I was doing it. Wait for them to put the stuff on sale and buy one. (Or wait for somebody like me that's going to see theirs from their Omega, along with two muzzle devices, just as soon as it's approved in a month or two)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nova3930 View Post
    That would be too easy now wouldn't it

    But yeah, I've thought about it. One thing is I'm teaching myself machining and it's as much to see if I can do it as anything else. Another is my current concept for my can is rather short and fat, specifically sized to blend with this 8" 300BO setup I have. I want to keep good suppression while keeping OAL as short as I possibly can. By my estimate, adapting a MAAD would add an extra inch or so that I'd like to avoid if possible. I've thought about maybe reflexing the can itself over the MAAD adapter but I'm not sure how goofy it would look.
    Build one on a Griffin reflex setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWaylon View Post
    Build one on a Griffin reflex setup.
    This what you're talking about?

    http://www.griffinarmament.com/product-p/otbmd.htm

    Was trying to stick with the ASR since I already have 3 rifles with mounts but something different isn't out of the question...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nova3930 View Post
    This what you're talking about?

    http://www.griffinarmament.com/product-p/otbmd.htm

    Was trying to stick with the ASR since I already have 3 rifles with mounts but something different isn't out of the question...
    That's one option. Another is here.

    Going to be harder to do an ASR reflex setup because of the locking action required, both as far as physical size of locking and the requirement to access it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWaylon View Post
    That's one option. Another is here.

    Going to be harder to do an ASR reflex setup because of the locking action required, both as far as physical size of locking and the requirement to access it.
    Part of me has wondered exactly how much that lock is needed and how much it's just feel good CYA. Screwing down onto a taper is pretty damn secure, look at any mill or lathe to see evidence of that. My Bridgeport uses an R8 taper mount and the lathe uses MT2 on the tailstock. I was putting some pressure on my tailstock drilling through 416 stainless last night and it moved not a bit.

    Guess I could put my engineers hat on and see what the slipping shear is on that taper for a given torque value......

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    If someone knows what that taper angle is off hand I've found the math to work out if the taper is self holding. I'm at work and don't have a mount handy. basically to be self holding, tan (0.5*included angle) < static friction coefficient of the component materials
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    Quote Originally Posted by nova3930 View Post
    Part of me has wondered exactly how much that lock is needed and how much it's just feel good CYA. Screwing down onto a taper is pretty damn secure, look at any mill or lathe to see evidence of that. My Bridgeport uses an R8 taper mount and the lathe uses MT2 on the tailstock. I was putting some pressure on my tailstock drilling through 416 stainless last night and it moved not a bit.

    Guess I could put my engineers hat on and see what the slipping shear is on that taper for a given torque value......

    ETA

    If someone knows what that taper angle is off hand I've found the math to work out if the taper is self holding. I'm at work and don't have a mount handy. basically to be self holding, tan (0.5*included angle) < static friction coefficient of the component materials
    I'd be mindful that the barrel has all kinds of harmonics going on during firing, and it vibrates like a tuning fork. Not sure how that will affect your required torque value over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BufordTJustice View Post
    I'd be mindful that the barrel has all kinds of harmonics going on during firing, and it vibrates like a tuning fork. Not sure how that will affect your required torque value over time.
    True. Might need to apply a knockdown factor to give some margin of safety. I'd be willing to give it a go on a F1 suppressor just to see though. With those, outside the tax stamp the vast majority of the investment is my time. I'm still working to see if I can come up with an alternative to the SiCo lock though. I don't use it at work so I may as well put that shiny engineering degree to work somewhere lol

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    I wouldn't run an ASR equipped suppressor without using the lock ring. The Active Spring Retention tech is what keeps the suppressor from unscrewing off of the mount, not the taper or the torque you put on the threads.

    I apply very little torque when I screw the suppressor on. The ASR MAAD I have on the Saker K requires a little more torque for the lock ring to engage easily than my Specwars do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBK View Post
    I wouldn't run an ASR equipped suppressor without using the lock ring. The Active Spring Retention tech is what keeps the suppressor from unscrewing off of the mount, not the taper or the torque you put on the threads.

    I apply very little torque when I screw the suppressor on. The ASR MAAD I have on the Saker K requires a little more torque for the lock ring to engage easily than my Specwars do.
    As a matter of mechanical design, that taper mount will serve to hinder the suppressor from unscrewing from the mount. The question is exactly how much. I forgot to measure last night so just looking at pictures, the angle of taper looks too steep to be considered self locking, so the lock probably is necessary. Soon as I can measure I'm going to do the math to make sure though

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