ATF Looking at Reclassifying M855 (UPDATE 3/12: CHANGING TACTICS)

[jpmuscle]

Or just blame ATF for being the retarded, bloated, and useless entity that they are... But I digress.

[SteyrAUG]

Or just blame ATF for being the retarded, bloated, and useless entity that they are... But I digress.

I think it would be easier to get the OC crowd to make business casual MANDATORY dress code than it would be to fix ATF.

Ironically those who were unwilling to SBR their short barrels just made our SBRs damn near useless. 1/7 twist really isn't optimal for .55 grain ammo. Might as well go back to the MP5.

[polymorpheous]

Why can't you guys stop eating our own?
I suppose it's a lot easier to bitch and harp about gun owners you don't care for, than it is to actually fight to retain a God given right.
Some of you guys act exactly like Fudds.

This is probably one the most anti-second amendment gun forum on the Internet.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Why can't you guys stop eating our own?
I suppose it's a lot easier to bitch and harp about gun owners you don't care for, than it is to actually fight to retain a God given right.
Some of you guys act exactly like Fudds.

This is probably one the most anti-second amendment gun forum on the Internet.

Ironic considering your signature line . . .

Anybody that owns or sells pistol versions of assault rifles is a bottom feeder, irregardless of the ban status of certain ammunition.

They are illigetimate weapons that have no real purpose other than to attract retards to the gun community.

[SteyrAUG]

Why can't you guys stop eating our own?
I suppose it's a lot easier to bitch and harp about gun owners you don't care for, than it is to actually fight to retain a God given right.
Some of you guys act exactly like Fudds.

This is probably one the most anti-second amendment gun forum on the Internet.

Got a plan? I'd love to hear all about it. In the meantime I'm just damn frustrated by THOUSANDS of people who are supposedly informed firearms enthusiasts who can't see that everyone having an AR "pistol" with a SIG brace is going to essentially force ATF to make a ruling like this.

It's not like the same EXACT THING didn't just recently happen with 7N6 ammo and people making AK pistols. You are correct "some of us" are our own worst enemy. And a big group is the ones who think "God given right...I'll do as I please" or "What's the worst that could happen" and they start making rifle caliber pistols completely OBLIVIOUS to the provisions that have existed since 1968 in the Gun Control Act and specifically the sporter clause.

How many times, with each and every caliber do we have to do this? 762x51, 762x39, 545x39 and now finally 556x45. Maybe somebody can make a .300 Blackout pistol and screw that one up too.

But again, if you have a plan, something that will help reverse this or at least try and fight it, please spell it out. I'm an NRA Life Member and I think so is most of the forum. But it's hard to fight something that has been spelled out PLAINLY since before a lot of this forum was born. This isn't a new rule, ATF is finally just applying what has existed since 1968.

If I'm coming across extremely frustrated that a bunch of "clowns" couldn't take the time to understand cause and effect then I'm just going to ask that you give me the same deference regarding my frustration that you seem to extend to the "clowns" with their AR, AK and HK rifle caliber pistols.

This isn't just fun and games for a lot of people. A lot of people have put a lot of money into building practical and effective defensive firearms that are for more than recreational use. And now the ammunition those weapons are designed around, is destined to become a rare and expensive collectors item. This isn't going to be like Black Talons where they just change the name and packaging.

This is going to be the end of being able to get the correct ammo for any rifle with a 1/7 twist at normal market prices, not that those were cheap and affordable to begin with. This is also a "from now on" consideration. It won't sunset in 10 years.

Might as well reconfigure every AR barrel everywhere for 1/10 twist, at least you will get a longer barrel life when shooting .55 grain ammo.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Maybe somebody can make a .300 Blackout pistol and screw that one up too.

About that . . .

https://danieldefense.com/daniel-def...ut-pistol.html

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...sb-300blk.aspx

[polymorpheous]

Ironic considering your signature line . . .

Went completely over your head.

[Eurodriver]

Son of a bitch. M855 is all I stock on up.

Serious question: I love M855 as a "SHTF" round (I'm not rich enough to buy a couple thousand rounds of RA556B)

Should I go ahead and pull the lever on 3+ cases of this stuff? What is the likelihood this gets taken away?

[polymorpheous]

Got a plan? I'd love to hear all about it. In the meantime I'm just damn frustrated by THOUSANDS of people who are supposedly informed firearms enthusiasts who can't see that everyone having an AR "pistol" with a SIG brace is going to essentially force ATF to make a ruling like this.

It's not like the same EXACT THING didn't just recently happen with 7N6 ammo and people making AK pistols. You are correct "some of us" are our own worst enemy. And a big group is the ones who think "God given right...I'll do as I please" or "What's the worst that could happen" and they start making rifle caliber pistols completely OBLIVIOUS to the provisions that have existed since 1968 in the Gun Control Act and specifically the sporter clause.

How many times, with each and every caliber do we have to do this? 762x51, 762x39, 545x39 and now finally 556x45. Maybe somebody can make a .300 Blackout pistol and screw that one up too.

But again, if you have a plan, something that will help reverse this or at least try and fight it, please spell it out. I'm an NRA Life Member and I think so is most of the forum. But it's hard to fight something that has been spelled out PLAINLY since before a lot of this forum was born. This isn't a new rule, ATF is finally just applying what has existed since 1968.

If I'm coming across extremely frustrated that a bunch of "clowns" couldn't take the time to understand cause and effect then I'm just going to ask that you give me the same deference regarding my frustration that you seem to extend to the "clowns" with their AR, AK and HK rifle caliber pistols.

This isn't just fun and games for a lot of people. A lot of people have put a lot of money into building practical and effective defensive firearms that are for more than recreational use. And now the ammunition those weapons are designed around, is destined to become a rare and expensive collectors item. This isn't going to be like Black Talons where they just change the name and packaging.

This is going to be the end of being able to get the correct ammo for any rifle with a 1/7 twist at normal market prices, not that those were cheap and affordable to begin with. This is also a "from now on" consideration. It won't sunset in 10 years.

Might as well reconfigure every AR barrel everywhere for 1/10 twist, at least you will get a longer barrel life when shooting .55 grain ammo.

Do I have a plan?
Well, perhaps we can all stop acting like a bunch of snobs and get onboard with our fellow gun owners.
But then, we don't like what some of them may be shooting.... so....

You don't think I'm an NRA member?
What did they do for the 7n6 ban?
And just what is the NRA doing about this?

What's going to be next on the BATFE agenda?
Who will we blame then?

This very forum is full of cowards, that would rather register all semi-auto, box fed rifles as NFA, than to fight to retain our GOD GIVEN RIGHT!
M4Carbine is so quick to stab other gun owners in the back.

[Pilot1]

Beyond writing the BATF, and every politician I can think of and making some phone calls, I will have to re-start reloading for .223/.556 with 62 gr projectiles or even a bit heavier. My 1/7 barrels just like them a little better. They shoot .55 gr fine, but the heavier rounds are just a bit more accurate.

This is a systematic approach by the Feds under the Obama Admin to restrict firearm usage. They couldn't ban the guns, so they are banning the ammo.