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Thread: How much POI shift due to bayonet?

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    How about everyone sticking with the actual topic of POI shift and not the validity of bayonets.



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    Not that I would ever have to order myself "To fix bayonet!", I am curious what the POI shift would be with a OKC bayonet affixed to a 14.5" M4, or a 16" civilian M4. Anyone out there willing to experiment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BooneGA View Post
    You are planning for a single contingency that rarely occurs. Compromises need to be made but you must deal with the most likely ones first. A free floated rail would benefit almost every engagement as opposed to dealing with singular instances where bayonets were used.

    If ones moves to a more long duration dismounted mission weight becomes even more of a concern. Is an A2 length gun the answer for that mission? I doubt it, and if it is those accessories quickly become useless as the duration continues on. Moving accessories such as IR lasers back to the rear of the rail reduces their accuracy as the ideal location is as far forward as possible. Again, you are forced to compromise. At some point you must make decisions as to what you actually NEED to carry and the negatives that go along with ensuring that a rifle is bayonet compatible outweigh its benefits early on in that decision making process.

    Somehow SOF has been able to go to rifles that don't have bayonet mounts for almost all mission sets. You must plan for the fight you are most likely going to encounter. If forced to plan for every contingency you are weighed down to the point where your force has lost the ability to fire and maneuver (REF - OEF/OIF in almost all instances).

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    I understand all that having taken part in the planning of numerous names operations and hundreds of combat patrols. But the less than one pound bayonet, which by the way issue to all people including those who cannot fix bayonets because we issue a blade/fighting knife to everyone, does not add so much weight to prevent anything, to include a lot of fire and maneuver being conduted. It is a non-issue, it basically is the rationalizing their lack of experience since there have been bayonet charges and enemies bayoneted in the GWOT by both US and our allies kind of proves they are still useful.

    The shift in POI occurs bur since most killing is not done by rifle fire in the end it does not have an effect.
    Last edited by R0N; 02-19-15 at 05:54.

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