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    Quote Originally Posted by KingCobra View Post
    There is no issue with the RCO, why replace it with a less accurate SDO?
    How is it less accurate? Honest question as I have no hands on experience with ACOG or reticles used.

    I think the comps are a potentially bad idea. Maybe something like the recent knights or griffin designs would be good since, as I understand, they don't increase blast, and are good at flash and recoil mitigation?

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    Going to the SDO reticle would be a huge mistake. When I went to the IAR trainer course the instructors told us to use "the tip of the dot" to confirm zero at 100m. It's fine for the SAW, but it is by no means a precision optic.

    The triggers in all my issued rifles definitely weren't
    Geissele's, but they weren't awful either. With practice I found that I could shoot almost as fast as I can with my personal rifle.

    The only thing that could really make a difference, in my opinion, is a new rail system. The KAC rail is heavy, outdated, and is a major detriment to accuracy. Going to a free float system with either keymod or mlok would be the best investment as far as accuracy, weight and modernization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vicious_cb View Post
    Now the USMC wants to turn the M16 into a 3-gun rifle...
    The USMC release really reads like a "me too" to the current M4 to M4A1 push that the Army is doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26 View Post
    When I went to the IAR trainer course the instructors told us to use "the tip of the dot" to confirm zero at 100m.
    I disagree with that zeroing method, but if that's what Trijicon is saying, I can't criticise too much since they are the SMEs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegademiC View Post
    How is it less accurate? Honest question as I have no hands on experience with ACOG or reticles used.

    I think the comps are a potentially bad idea. Maybe something like the recent knights or griffin designs would be good since, as I understand, they don't increase blast, and are good at flash and recoil mitigation?
    The SDO has no distinct aiming point until you get out to 300m. It only has a small dot that is the 200m aiming point, and to zero at 100m you have to use the top edge of the dot.
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    I agree, especially since they worked for trijicon. I've never had a good experience with the SDO though, either on a SAW or IAR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26 View Post
    I agree, especially since they worked for trijicon. I've never had a good experience with the SDO though, either on a SAW or IAR.
    I actually have to pull back my criticism of the information given regarding zeroing, and simply say that I disagree with that procedure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26 View Post
    I agree, especially since they worked for trijicon. I've never had a good experience with the SDO though, either on a SAW or IAR.
    Apologies for the derail, just my curiosity:
    What were their directions regarding mounting the SDO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I actually have to pull back my criticism of the information given regarding zeroing, and simply say that I disagree with that procedure.
    They were actually spot on as far as mounting, they instructed us to ensure the scope was tight in the mount, to load it forward before locking down the QD lever and how to ensure the QD had proper tension.

    Out of curiosity, how would you recommend doing it? I have friends that are still in and I'm sure they would appreciate a better method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    The USMC release really reads like a "me too" to the current M4 to M4A1 push that the Army is doing.
    Some things I understand like a better trigger cause burst sucks, and a rail cause the RAS is outdated. The comp I'm not sure about, could be good, could be bad, depends on the comp. Heavy barrel on a M16.........
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    This is 2012. The world is going to end this December and people are still trying to debate the merits of piece of shit, cost cutting crap AR's. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26 View Post
    They were actually spot on as far as mounting, they instructed us to ensure the scope was tight in the mount, to load it forward before locking down the QD lever and how to ensure the QD had proper tension.

    Out of curiosity, how would you recommend doing it? I have friends that are still in and I'm sure they would appreciate a better method.
    Not an SME but isnt the dot supposed be zeroed at 200m? Why not zero at 50m dead center then confirm at longer ranges.

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