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    Quote Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26 View Post
    Some shooters certainly could, but I've also had shooters hit the berm at 300 with a perfectly zeroed optic. The variation in shooting ability is just too great to have an optic that zeroes at 300m.
    You'd certainly have to start at 25 or 36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26 View Post
    Some shooters certainly could, but I've also had shooters hit the berm at 300 with a perfectly zeroed optic. The variation in shooting ability is just too great to have an optic that zeroes at 300m.
    Are you talking about 03s? I have never experienced this in cases where the TA31 hadn't failed, even among boot POGs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Are you talking about 03s? I have never experienced this in cases where the TA31 hadn't failed, even among boot POGs.
    Some of them were, some weren't. Maybe my unit just had especially bad shooters, but I knew of a few guys who couldn't qualify without going back to the range multiple times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26 View Post
    Some of them were, some weren't. Maybe my unit just had especially bad shooters, but I knew of a few guys who couldn't qualify without going back to the range multiple times.
    Yeah, I've seen that a few times but only when shooting in 15+ MPH full value winds. I think if I had a beef with the ACOG aside from eye relief, it would be the inability to accurately gauge windage for both wind and moving targets. You have the reticle, but it just isn't good enough and boots don't get enough training to fully understand what the little hash marks mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26 View Post
    Some of them were, some weren't. Maybe my unit just had especially bad shooters, but I knew of a few guys who couldn't qualify without going back to the range multiple times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    Wouldn't going to the M4A1 fix most of their wants, aside from the rail.

    Also whats everyone take on comps vs flash hiders?
    For new comps like the AFAB mini, EFAB, or MAMS, flash is minimal to non existent and side blast is better than it's ever been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Yeah, I've seen that a few times but only when shooting in 15+ MPH full value winds. I think if I had a beef with the ACOG aside from eye relief, it would be the inability to accurately gauge windage for both wind and moving targets. You have the reticle, but it just isn't good enough and boots don't get enough training to fully understand what the little hash marks mean.
    Well one of them was so bad that he got kicked out of security forces, so there's that. I was never trained on how to use the reticle for wind or moving targets, even in coaches course. I had to learn for myself though experience and reading online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Funkenstein View Post
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    Haha you have to at least hit the paper to get pit love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dist. Expert 26 View Post
    Well one of them was so bad that he got kicked out of security forces, so there's that. I was never trained on how to use the reticle for wind or moving targets, even in coaches course. I had to learn for myself though experience and reading online.
    We had a guy on the M9 range suck so bad he got kicked off the range for being a safety violator (and an adverse fitrep) after continuously (multiple rounds over several days with multiple instructors trying to teach him) shooting the concrete blocks surrounding the machine that spun the target.

    So I definitely believe you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    We had a guy on the M9 range suck so bad he got kicked off the range for being a safety violator (and an adverse fitrep) after continuously (multiple rounds over several days with multiple instructors trying to teach him) shooting the concrete blocks surrounding the machine that spun the target.

    So I definitely believe you.
    I have seen some bad ones as well. But I wonder if his M9 was as horrible as some I qualed with... Beat to hell and damn near smooth bore barrel. Ha, I am sadly not making that up.
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