This is just painful to look at: Beretta APX

[Mrgunsngear]

Corporate boardrooms don't promote sanity, Beretta is back ordered 20,000 M9A3 pistols, Wilson can't get enough pistols
to fill the backorders that they have.
Regardless of the public desire for the legacy pistols Beretta made their bones on they continue to push this kind of crap
on the public who stand with cash in hand.
It is a insane policy to push plastic junk, when they could sell all the legacy pistols they could make.
Boardrooms are populated by yes men.

FWIW, I spoke with Beretta USA's production manager in January about the A3 backlog and he stated that was due almost exclusively to the move.

[Singlestack Wonder]

"I'm going to laugh my ass off when one of the big instructors adopts the APX, then people start to buy them up like crazy."


So true

I wouldn't hold my breath.....

[williejc]

Before Glocks I had never heard the term audible reset. Of course, I knew reset's definition and was aware that 1911's have a very rapid and short reset and that Browning HP's were quite long. Smith M&Ps' reset has been criticized for not being audible and distinct when compared with Glock resets.

My question: Is having a distinct and audible reset necessary in a striker fire pistol? I wonder about reasons for placing so much emphasis on this trait. I also wonder why all the other gun makers don't slavishly copy the Glock trigger. I assume that Glock's trigger patents have expired.

[Bayoublaster]

FWIW, I spoke with Beretta USA's production manager in January about the A3 backlog and he stated that was due almost exclusively to the move.

We have a bunch backordered. The rep told us at the beginning of last year it would happen. He said they had been wanting to move for a while and were waiting for the final contracts for the M9/M9A1 to be completed.

[jetspeedz]

As someone who owns many G19s, I'd never buy one of these.

But I don't think it looks bad. I actually like it.

Still, it is interesting that they are like 20 years late to the party.

+1, the G19's are just reliable and work well. not sure why there is so much polymer hate. I have metal guns too, no preference each as a purpose.

[Evel Baldgui]

Beretta's version of the glock...30 yrs late.
Sig 320 ...sig glock version
CZ P10...CZ glock version
M&P.....SW version of glock etc etc
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery after all

[556BlackRifle]

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Oooops Never mind. While multitasking I accidentally posted in the wrong thread.

[HKGuns]

I don't find that pistol the least bit hideous. Looks just fine to me with just a splash of Italian design flair. There are and should be options to the ugly, cheap, utilitarian gLoCk 19 for those of us who don't want to buy the lowest common denominator just like "everyone else."

[lowprone]

If they did that then people would criticize them for not innovating which is far worse. Innovation is a good thing. It is healthy for a company to innovate so that institutional knowledge regarding the development of a new system is maintained. Look at the state of Colt. Their newest innovation is the reintroduction of a revolver. While it might make them a quick buck it will hardly make their handguns any more relevant for LE customers.

Keep in mind that in the timeline of Beretta the 92fs is not a legacy product; A flintlock is.
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None the less Colt seems to sell everything they can make, innovation works best when your on the leading edge , not on a race to the bottom.

[Hart]

I think if Glock showed up today, after the Sig,VP, PPQ, it'd be DOA. It's ugly, clunky, needs new sights, has a trigger an industry is trying to fix, ejection problems......

But it works and somehow has become the gold standard. All newcomers are picked to pieces and hosed before anyone even gets their hands on it. If some SME says "boys, she's good to go", the fluffing begins. Gotta get me one of them. Take the P10 for instance.