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Thread: Bolt gunner looking to get into ARs: Suggestions?

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    I was in the same situation about a year and a half ago, so not knowing enough about the AR platform to know what I really wanted, this is what I did...
    I bought a relatively inexpensive but decent quality complete rifle from PSA. Then I shot it as much as possible and read/learned as much as possible, mainly from the forums. After I had it figured out, I bought a complete upper with a barrel and handguard that I wanted, added some additional furniture and misc items and sold the original upper for a fair price.
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    Here's what I'd do:

    http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-S...s410-kmr13.htm

    Buy that as soon as it's in stock. Grab a Geissele SD-E trigger and vltor a5 set. Build a lpk from Battle Arms Development components primarily and get the rest piece by piece.

    Get a good 1-6 optic (like a leupold mk6) if you're looking into 3gun, put it in nightforce rings, and get 45 degree offset irons of the KAC variety.
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    What exactly would the 24" crew served be used for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    Sorry about your state's laws.
    JP enterprises makes good stuff. I've seen some purely competitive ARs that almost resemble bolt actions.

    Myself, the next AR project I'm working on is a MK.12. Not a suggestion really but for what I want it will do. I would love a SAM-R upper but I think that boat is long gone.

    You know; with an AR you can slap on pretty much any upper you want. If I had two lowers. And they were the only lowers I could have....

    One would be a collapsible stock and the other fixed with my preference of an A1 stock (slightly shorter than a normal fixed stock).

    I'd get a good stainless 24" upper purely for optics and an 18" Mk. 12 upper for my fixed stock lower. For the carbine I'd get a pinned and welded SR-15 keymod or mod 1 upper with perm MAMS and a bare stock CAR-15 16" 1:9 upper. One upper for 'heavy' use with an optic (the SR-15 upper) and the CAR15 upper for general plinking/iron sight practice. An upper I just didn't care too much about abusing.

    That's just me. But it's an idea.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    The last JP rifle I saw was very heavy and also had some assembly issues. For the kind of money that was paid it, I would have expected a lot more.
    Hopefully a BCM product will be vaguely better, and not suffer from the same ill defined problem that the JP rifle had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Yosh View Post
    Thanks again for the help! Unless i am totally missing the boat, whenever "accuracy" & "precision" are mentioned, the AR needs to be built as a competition gun. Why cant you take a BCM and make it sub-MOA? Wouldnt the BCM SS410 16" be what I am looking for? On the flip side, how about the JP-15 Gladiator or VTAC? It would seem that one is a fighting rifle made to be accurate and one that is a comp gun made to be more rugged. Either way, they both accomplish the same thing, right?
    For what you are looking for, accuracy can't be replaced by anything else but is only one part of the equation. Lets just say either one you buy will shoot sub-moa, which is what you want. The JP would still come with an adjustable gas block, a low mass BCG (which I would recommend over a traditional setup for your intended purpose) and an effective muzzle brake. Those are all things that are going to make your gun shoot faster and with more accurate follow up shots. There's a saying, "The timer doesn't lie". For an upper that comes from the factory with all the features you want, JP is the way to go IMO.

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    You've got two lowers buy or build a REECE 16" upper (check BCM REECE uppers). The BCM REECE Rifle uppers are SS or Hammer Forged with Mid-length gas systems. The REECE Rifle is a pretty good all around rifle.

    If the REECE rifle is not competition oriented enough you can build the second lower into a Comp rifle. Comp rifles sometimes run light weight BCGs and adjustable gas blocks, etc. and are more highly tuned to specific ammo. While more tactical rifles put reliability and durability over fast cycling and accuracy. It's a generalization, but I think it basically holds. I'd rather trust my life to a rifle that I know will go bang every-dang time and won't choke when dusty dirty and using a variety of ammo, rather than a race gun tuned for speed and fine ammo.

    I built all my rifles for reliability first, then handling, then accuracy. ARs built with good parts are reasonably accurate. I also do not try to make my 5.56 rifles long range shooters, I use my .308 rifles for that.

    BTW - I have a 16" BCM SS barrel with a 1/8 twist. It shoots 77grain value priced CBC ammo very very well with a SSA-E G trigger and plain mil-spec adjustable buffer tube, SpringCO Blue spring, H2 buffer, & BCM BCG. I was surprised to find that I could squeeze off 10 pretty quick rounds into a nice tight small group at 100 yards without any sweat and a 1-4 scope from a bi-pod.


    Skip PSA, but definitely consider BCM, DD, or Noveske.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    What exactly would the 24" crew served be used for?
    Purely for benchrest shooting with an optic. That and it seems less "scary" if I were in a civil rights unfriendly state. I'd prefer a good SAM-R upper really but I was told they were unlikely to see a run any time soon. I have a 24" longpike .308 and I just enjoy shooting it. More a personal preference than anything. I have a Model 10 match barrel PPC revolver for a similar reason. Sometimes I just want to make tiny holes on my own time and leisure.

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    If it is an AR it isn't going to matter in the barrel is 14" or 24" you will still be noticed and the term "assault rifle" will come to mind. In other words it will still be "scary".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottsBad View Post
    I built all my rifles for reliability first, then handling, then accuracy. ARs built with good parts are reasonably accurate. I also do not try to make my 5.56 rifles long range shooters, I use my .308 rifles for that.
    Likewise, there are tools for different jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottsBad View Post
    If it is an AR it isn't going to matter in the barrel is 14" or 24" you will still be noticed and the term "assault rifle" will come to mind. In other words it will still be "scary".
    I don't know. Maybe politically to people who spend their lives being killjoys. In a purely unscientific test, I've seen people warm up to a mossy oak Remington AR15 and think it was just another hunting rifle and be literally afraid of a 6920 because 'it was a machine gun'.

    Really though my guns are for me and I've had a lot of zen meditation behind a 24". Granted it is a .308 and a 21 year old rifle but I still enjoy it.

    The 24" would be my sunny day go to the range upper. The mk.12 would be my go to the hills rifle. I just like a little heft to rest in a sandbag.

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