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Thread: Bolt gunner looking to get into ARs: Suggestions?

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    There isn't a line drawn in the sand, where if you are on one side or the other, you are a competitive or tactical shooter. If this forum isn't built upon giving advice from personal experience and knowledge then it is just people repeating what they read on the internet and the same as almost all the others.

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    NWcityguy2, I definitely agree with your point on personal experience, and I think presenting alternative brands with their pros and cons is important. However, the shooters I know tend more toward either tactical or competition shooting styles. You may not think there is a line in the sand, but a lot of (all?) the shooters I know prefer specific types of shooting, and their gun/gear choices typically reflect that. I don't think anyone is saying a competition gun is no good in SHTF/Zombies/Whatever or vice-versa. It's just a matter of optimizing for the intended mission. For a guy who just wants an AR to start out on, BCM is far from being a "bad joke", and that's why I think they get recommended so much.

    To the OP: Jack of all trades = master of none. You seem hung up on accuracy, so I would tend toward recommending a precision rifle build for you, but ultimately it will come down to what mission is more important in your mind.
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    BCM makes good rifles that do a number of things well, but that wasn't what I was referring to. Since I'm not here to sidetrack the thread away from the OP, I'll just leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosme9242 View Post
    Another vote for JP. Doesn't seem like your building on a strict budget just to build. Definitely would go 18" barrel (Rainier Ultra match) I didn't see you mention optics unless your shooting irons out to 600 yards.

    I would go with a nice 1-6 illuminated
    Agreed! Although if you get a complete upper from JP, you won't be disappointed with the accuracy of their barrels. I have a couple JPs and a few LaRues. Since the OP just needs and upper, I'd go with JP. If LaRue ever sold PredaTAR or PredatOBR uppers, these would be another great choice. Also like the Swaro Z6i 1-6X if you can swing it. By once, cry once.

    If you are considering 3 Gun, go to a match and talk to some of the competitors and check out their rifles if you can.

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    Thanks again for the help! Unless i am totally missing the boat, whenever "accuracy" & "precision" are mentioned, the AR needs to be built as a competition gun. Why cant you take a BCM and make it sub-MOA? Wouldnt the BCM SS410 16" be what I am looking for? On the flip side, how about the JP-15 Gladiator or VTAC? It would seem that one is a fighting rifle made to be accurate and one that is a comp gun made to be more rugged. Either way, they both accomplish the same thing, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Yosh View Post
    Thanks again for the help! Unless i am totally missing the boat, whenever "accuracy" & "precision" are mentioned, the AR needs to be built as a competition gun. Why cant you take a BCM and make it sub-MOA? Wouldnt the BCM SS410 16" be what I am looking for? On the flip side, how about the JP-15 Gladiator or VTAC? It would seem that one is a fighting rifle made to be accurate and one that is a comp gun made to be more rugged. Either way, they both accomplish the same thing, right?
    You can absolutely make a sub-MOA combat rifle. If you have ever seen Trident82's posts he has some incredibly accurate rifles that aren't built for competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Yosh View Post
    Having said that, I do know who Larue, Noveske, Rainier, BCM, DD, LMT and the others are.
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    All of these brands have a lot to offer, you have an idea of what you want, I'd suggest searching through all of their catalogs to find a rifle that fits, no one here will knock you for purchasing one of these quality brands
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    If you don't mind assembling the upper and just need a great barrel have you looked into Arp barrels? I believe they have some 18" sticks that they say will be .75-1 moa with the right loads.

    That's not to say people haven't worked up handloads and gotten that accuracy with a "combat" grade barrel. It's just more of a guarantee with something like ss or qpq finished barrels.
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    The last JP rifle I saw was very heavy and also had some assembly issues. For the kind of money that was paid it, I would have expected a lot more.

    Quote Originally Posted by NWcityguy2 View Post
    JP Enterprises > BCM for everything you want to do. People recommending BCM for everything around here, regardless of the intended use, is becoming a bad joke. The accuracy of the JP-15 is well documented, http://www.shootingillustrated.com/i...rprises-jp-15/ Plus it will come competition ready, while the BCM will not.



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    Sorry about your state's laws.
    JP enterprises makes good stuff. I've seen some purely competitive ARs that almost resemble bolt actions.

    Myself, the next AR project I'm working on is a MK.12. Not a suggestion really but for what I want it will do. I would love a SAM-R upper but I think that boat is long gone.

    You know; with an AR you can slap on pretty much any upper you want. If I had two lowers. And they were the only lowers I could have....

    One would be a collapsible stock and the other fixed with my preference of an A1 stock (slightly shorter than a normal fixed stock).

    I'd get a good stainless 24" upper purely for optics and an 18" Mk. 12 upper for my fixed stock lower. For the carbine I'd get a pinned and welded SR-15 keymod or mod 1 upper with perm MAMS and a bare stock CAR-15 16" 1:9 upper. One upper for 'heavy' use with an optic (the SR-15 upper) and the CAR15 upper for general plinking/iron sight practice. An upper I just didn't care too much about abusing.

    That's just me. But it's an idea.

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