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PSA concerns-
order in 2013
-the buffer weight they sent me was not standard carbine weight. It was lighter. (I forget how much, I just threw it away and installed an H buffer)
-The spring was too short.
-The mil-spec receiver extension did not fit any of my mil-spec stocks, nor my 1 commercial stock.
The barrels they get from FN-
-I have no idea if FN totally makes them, or if PSA gets the blanks and installs the barrel extension and drills the gas port themselves.
if FN did ALL the work, then i would be ok buying them. IF PSA does the work, it would be a deal breaker.
-gas ports too large.
Last edited by Shiz; 03-13-15 at 13:56.
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I'm not intimately familiar with psa's product lines, but from what I've seen anything decent from them is priced similarly to bcm. This leaves me to ask "why?". With bcm I have no doubt what so ever that I will be satisfied. Even if the bcm is out of stock, I would wait.
Also in my (limited) experience with psa they were SLOW to ship. Bcm's cs and shipping times have been nothing short of fantastic.
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Wow, I must be an old bastard. A week to ship???
I remember as a kid ordering something from the back of a comic book, placing it in the mail, and waiting 6-8+ weeks to get it.
Lol
They immediately charge the credit card, or at least they did last time I ordered. Every single order I have placed with them is a month lead time. When I do get ship notification (shipping label printed), it isn't in the mail for at least another week. I do order ammo from them sometimes, or batteries, or magazines still. When I don't mind the wait.Wow, I must be an old bastard. A week to ship???
I do understand getting a little impatient with them. I figure it's the price of doing business with PSA. Especially when comparing with guys like BCM. Last order I placed with BCM I had a tracking number and shipment notification within 10 mins of placing my order. That kind of service will spoil you.
I never order anything from PSA (or anyone else, for that matter) that I NEED to have in a hurry. I try to plan ahead for my needs.
I must be lucky with them, though. I've never had an incorrect order, something damaged or missing from them.
Longest I have ever waited for an item was 3 weeks (for the upper discussed in this thread). Over the past 3 years I have bought close to 10K rounds of ammunition, and the upper from them, never an issue.
Can we get over this crap with the PSA gas tubes? It happened more than three years ago and there was NOT "a ton of middy uppers with carbine length gas tubes.". There were EXACTLY THREE out of a batch of 300 that shipped with carbine gas tubes. PSA resolved the problems for the THREE individuals that had the problem uppers, fired the person responsible for assembling them incorrectly and changed their QC process to include test firing of ALL uppers prior to shipping.
When PSA has a lemon (or several) this and TOS turn it into "a ton" or all of PSA's stuff are lemons and stitch together incidents of unrelated and/or relatively few problems to be an EPIC trend of FAIL. A lot of the PSA info is old, rehashed, "I heard" or "my cousin's best friend's brother in law said" crap. Did PSA let some lemons out in the wild? Yes. Will there be any more? Yes, it's a manufactured item, it happens. Even with BCM, who has had batches of out of spec upper receivers, canted front site bases and poorly machined uppers. But when BCM has a lemon (or several) it gets summarily dismissed as "shit happens occasionally but they're real good at correcting it when it does happen" and then it's conveniently forgotten that BCM ever made a mistake. Not knocking BCM, just the rabid fanboys and the PSA haters who have never even touched or owned a PSA product.
It's not if a company screws up (it WILL happen to any of them), it's how they handle it afterwards.
BCM does ship much quicker than PSA and has quicker, easier to reach CS. My experience is that both will make any problem right though.
Not implying that PSA is the same or better than BCM, but PSA puts out some good kit at great prices, if you READ the product description before you order and stick to the Premium and CHF offerings.
If prices are the same or really close, the nod goes to BCM, but when a complete PSA CHF mid-length 16" can be had for $400 or less it's hard to pass up if you're not in a hurry. When BCM was including a free BCG and muzzle device it was harder to choose, but now, it's hard to justify paying 60-70% more for the BCM.
And, no, I'm not a PSA fanboy, as I have DD and Noveske complete rifles, Colt uppers on Aero Precision lowers and a BCM BFH upper on a S&W lower myself. However I did build complete PSA rifles (w/CHF uppers) for my dad and all 4 of my kids and they are excellent, solid, accurate rifles that have had no issues, with the exception being the first PSA upper I bought for my oldest son 3-4 years ago had a canted FSB. That upper was sent back and a replacement was back in my hands in less than 2 weeks. The 2 highest round count uppers are one with 7k+ rounds and another with ~3k rounds.
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