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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiz View Post
    They immediately charge the credit card, or at least they did last time I ordered. Every single order I have placed with them is a month lead time. When I do get ship notification (shipping label printed), it isn't in the mail for at least another week. I do order ammo from them sometimes, or batteries, or magazines still. When I don't mind the wait.
    i also sometimes get mags and things from them if i dont mine the wait. one time it took almost two months for an "in stock" order to reach me. the hilarious part was i recieved the tracking number a couple of days AFTER i recieved the package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ac130usnsr View Post
    Can we get over this crap with the PSA gas tubes? It happened more than three years ago and there was NOT "a ton of middy uppers with carbine length gas tubes.". There were EXACTLY THREE out of a batch of 300 that shipped with carbine gas tubes. PSA resolved the problems for the THREE individuals that had the problem uppers, fired the person responsible for assembling them incorrectly and changed their QC process to include test firing of ALL uppers prior to shipping.

    When PSA has a lemon (or several) this and TOS turn it into "a ton" or all of PSA's stuff are lemons and stitch together incidents of unrelated and/or relatively few problems to be an EPIC trend of FAIL. A lot of the PSA info is old, rehashed, "I heard" or "my cousin's best friend's brother in law said" crap. Did PSA let some lemons out in the wild? Yes. Will there be any more? Yes, it's a manufactured item, it happens. Even with BCM, who has had batches of out of spec upper receivers, canted front site bases and poorly machined uppers. But when BCM has a lemon (or several) it gets summarily dismissed as "shit happens occasionally but they're real good at correcting it when it does happen" and then it's conveniently forgotten that BCM ever made a mistake. Not knocking BCM, just the rabid fanboys and the PSA haters who have never even touched or owned a PSA product.

    It's not if a company screws up (it WILL happen to any of them), it's how they handle it afterwards.

    BCM does ship much quicker than PSA and has quicker, easier to reach CS. My experience is that both will make any problem right though.

    Not implying that PSA is the same or better than BCM, but PSA puts out some good kit at great prices, if you READ the product description before you order and stick to the Premium and CHF offerings.

    If prices are the same or really close, the nod goes to BCM, but when a complete PSA CHF mid-length 16" can be had for $400 or less it's hard to pass up if you're not in a hurry. When BCM was including a free BCG and muzzle device it was harder to choose, but now, it's hard to justify paying 60-70% more for the BCM.

    And, no, I'm not a PSA fanboy, as I have DD and Noveske complete rifles, Colt uppers on Aero Precision lowers and a BCM BFH upper on a S&W lower myself. However I did build complete PSA rifles (w/CHF uppers) for my dad and all 4 of my kids and they are excellent, solid, accurate rifles that have had no issues, with the exception being the first PSA upper I bought for my oldest son 3-4 years ago had a canted FSB. That upper was sent back and a replacement was back in my hands in less than 2 weeks. The 2 highest round count uppers are one with 7k+ rounds and another with ~3k rounds.
    I agree wholeheartedly. Well said. This is the issue with internet forums in general. The vocal micro minority can easily make it seem like there is a much larger issue than there really is. Especially if old news is rehashed over and over. PSA is a good company that makes really good products for reasonable prices. I'm very happy with my PSA "premium" build.
    BCM CHF/KMR-A13 complete middy upper, BCM BCG & CH, on PSA-M4 Premium lower

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gen4Glock22 View Post
    Yep. See post # 16 yesterday .

    This thread just validated what I already thought/felt before. I had a poor experience them before with not one but two poorly staked BCGs about a year and a half ago. Their CS was ok at best (Ok in that my problem was resolved but I had to put up w/ unnecessary long wait times on the phone, multiple calls, that whole deal). The first BCG was hardly staked, They sent me a label, I sent it back and requested a replacement. The second one looked exactly the same. At that point I just requested another return label and full refund.

    Despite this, I was willing to give them another shot. I'm sure some of their stuff really is just as good as BCM but I'm not in the gambling mood so I am gonna hang tight.
    I have been reading this thread for several minutes and have come to the conclusion that there are many PSA haters here and there are some that have actual experience and positive results. Here is an idea. Build your own 20" upper. Just buy the upper receiver, barrel, and BCG of your choice and build the darn thing. This way, if something goes wrong, it is on you because you made the choices of what to use.

    Personally, I have no problem recommending PSA branded products to anyone. I do warn them of the PTAC stuff. I have a couple ARs with PSA uppers and a couple with their complete lowers. I also use their BCGs and LPKs in a couple of the ARs. I have never had an issue with anything I have bought from PSA. If you were considering BCM to begin with, then why look at the PSA 20" CHF upper assembly if it was not a viable consideration? If your mind was swayed away from the PSA upper due to the many PSA naysayers, then by all means wait on the BCM. Quite frankly, I do not believe it is worth the wait. Again, it is on you. It is your money and your AR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiz View Post
    They immediately charge the credit card, or at least they did last time I ordered. Every single order I have placed with them is a month lead time. When I do get ship notification (shipping label printed), it isn't in the mail for at least another week. I do order ammo from them sometimes, or batteries, or magazines still. When I don't mind the wait.
    I ordered a stripped lower from them on March 3rd and it arrived on March 6th. Slow? Do not think so. It typically takes 7-10 working days for stuff to ship. That is not unreasonable considering the amount of product they ship on a daily basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ac130usnsr View Post
    Can we get over this crap with the PSA gas tubes? It happened more than three years ago and there was NOT "a ton of middy uppers with carbine length gas tubes.". There were EXACTLY THREE out of a batch of 300 that shipped with carbine gas tubes. PSA resolved the problems for the THREE individuals that had the problem uppers, fired the person responsible for assembling them incorrectly and changed their QC process to include test firing of ALL uppers prior to shipping.

    When PSA has a lemon (or several) this and TOS turn it into "a ton" or all of PSA's stuff are lemons and stitch together incidents of unrelated and/or relatively few problems to be an EPIC trend of FAIL. A lot of the PSA info is old, rehashed, "I heard" or "my cousin's best friend's brother in law said" crap. Did PSA let some lemons out in the wild? Yes. Will there be any more? Yes, it's a manufactured item, it happens. Even with BCM, who has had batches of out of spec upper receivers, canted front site bases and poorly machined uppers. But when BCM has a lemon (or several) it gets summarily dismissed as "shit happens occasionally but they're real good at correcting it when it does happen" and then it's conveniently forgotten that BCM ever made a mistake. Not knocking BCM, just the rabid fanboys and the PSA haters who have never even touched or owned a PSA product.

    It's not if a company screws up (it WILL happen to any of them), it's how they handle it afterwards.

    BCM does ship much quicker than PSA and has quicker, easier to reach CS. My experience is that both will make any problem right though.

    Not implying that PSA is the same or better than BCM, but PSA puts out some good kit at great prices, if you READ the product description before you order and stick to the Premium and CHF offerings.

    If prices are the same or really close, the nod goes to BCM, but when a complete PSA CHF mid-length 16" can be had for $400 or less it's hard to pass up if you're not in a hurry. When BCM was including a free BCG and muzzle device it was harder to choose, but now, it's hard to justify paying 60-70% more for the BCM.

    And, no, I'm not a PSA fanboy, as I have DD and Noveske complete rifles, Colt uppers on Aero Precision lowers and a BCM BFH upper on a S&W lower myself. However I did build complete PSA rifles (w/CHF uppers) for my dad and all 4 of my kids and they are excellent, solid, accurate rifles that have had no issues, with the exception being the first PSA upper I bought for my oldest son 3-4 years ago had a canted FSB. That upper was sent back and a replacement was back in my hands in less than 2 weeks. The 2 highest round count uppers are one with 7k+ rounds and another with ~3k rounds.
    Good post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade04 View Post
    I ordered a stripped lower from them on March 3rd and it arrived on March 6th. Slow? Do not think so. It typically takes 7-10 working days for stuff to ship. That is not unreasonable considering the amount of product they ship on a daily basis.

    That is totally unacceptable , there are company's that ship way more stuff then PSA that leave the same day or the next at the latest.

    If they are that far behind, time to hire more people or get a more efficient system. What do they have one person for picking and packing??
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    They aren't keeping it a secret that they ship things days after you order. I just checked on PSA's website and if you order a stripped lower it says in big red letters

    "Lowers may take up to 10 BUSINESS DAYS to ship from receipt of FFL information. "

    Built uppers say the following in big red letters *Please allow up to 15 business days for your complete assembled upper to ship from our facility. Holiday and special lead times can be longer*

    If you aren't willing to wait then buy elsewhere.
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    How is this thread still open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighDesert View Post
    How is this thread still open?
    Lol, good question.

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    Why was it even started?

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