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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS951 View Post
    Colt 6720 799$ + free shipping (guess this deal is back and kicking)

    http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...il-barrel.html

    I was out the door for 824$, between the 799$ gun and 25$ transfer. I'm sure you were going to pay tax on the two choices you listed, so factor that in too. So it wo'nt be a few hundred more it will be more like 20-30$ more.
    Sooooooo tempting. Great deal on a great gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Every time I see these threads I cringe. Neither company deserves a persons hard earned money. Why companies insist on still using cheap buffers, dremelling feed ramps into uppers as opposed to having them made correctly, using stupid semi-auto carriers that serve no purpose, failing to stake carrier keys, etc.. never ceases to amaze me.

    Recent pics. DPMS carbine. This was done at the factory and is a fairly new gun. The after thought feed ramps can be clearly seen. Hammer pin broke during a range trip with a few hundred rounds.



    I wouldn't go out of my way to defend DPMS but I've seen a Colt with those exact same after though m4 feed ramps.

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    As stated above, you can get a Colt or other known quality ARs for about the same money. And if money is the main concern, I would at least get a PSA CHF before I got those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NWcityguy2 View Post
    Actually one of the better shooters in El Paso uses a Windham, and it's not heavily modified either. I believe it only has a better trigger and a muzzle break added to it. He competes with it at both local and state level competitions. He is a skilled shooter, is consistently better than me, and I win local competitions. The rifle shoots accurately and gives him consistent reliability.

    There are lots of options out there, and if someone wants to say they prefer Colt over that brands mentioned, I respect that and in no way disagree. But if we cut to the chase, I bet there are very few people out there who can out shoot their rifles. However, there is an endless number of people who go around posting bold opinions in 10 words or less about how something sucks.

    That's why comments like this...



    ...are both true and completely dismissed most posters.

    Or why people who form opinions about gun by actually shooting them, generally are more positive than negative. The Military Arms Channel, which only has about 300,000 subscribers, liked the rifles after actually shooting them.

    https://youtu.be/0PVEitTfxm0

    Competitive shooters will run whatever they company that is writing the check says. So pay zero attention to that. Look at folks with HIGH integrity (Vickers, Hackathorn, Pannone, etc) and see what they shoot. That will tell you what companies they think make good guns/gear.

    Most bloggers either get free guns or access to factories. They rarely EVER find a gun or piece of gear they don't like.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS951 View Post
    But honestly I wouldn't buy either. It's a buyers market right now. Gun shops are sitting on a large stock they purchased during the panic. Now sales are way down.
    This. There's no reason not to get a Solid AR right now.
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    The problem with as good as is some are, some aren't, and you always wonder when your as good as will suddenly crap out. Working in QA for a manufacturer has taught me a lot. There is no such thing as "as good as" when you get down to it.

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    Except this is the rule not the exception. With Colt its the opposite. These were only two of the immediate issues, it still had all the other usual crap as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by JPB View Post
    I wouldn't go out of my way to defend DPMS but I've seen a Colt with those exact same after though m4 feed ramps.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NWcityguy2 View Post
    Well I guess if you have nothing to add, you can always say something bad about DPMS. Or something witty. Or tell people to just read what other people have written.

    People get so rankled when I make a statement that is less than absolute.
    You talked about a shooter who is more skilled than yourself outshooting you with an inferior rifle and that is supposed to somehow vouch for Windham as a quality product? Definitely helps to bolster the shooter's talent but as far as the rifle itself it means nothing. It doesn't change the fact that a Windham rifle has subpar QC procedures and testing requirements compared to other rifles from more reputable manufacturers. Will it put rounds down range? Sure. Will it perform reliably as long as its competitors? No way of knowing. But that's the thing about buying from reputable manufacturers. You're paying for those extensive QC requirements and testing procedures that provide a level of consistency from one rifle to the next so the buyer knows exactly what they are getting and what they can expect from their rifle.

    I've got a knockoff Scout that has made it through a couple thousand rounds tucked up right close to the muzzle blast but would I rely on it in a critical situation? Not a chance. That's because Surefire covers every base of quality control and gives a level of guarantee that comes from tangible differences between their products and others.

    It doesn't make the Windham or the knockoff scout unworthy of owning. But the fact is there are inherently better options that are available because certain manufacturers are willing to go the extra mile to provide documented quality and attention to detail.

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    I remember when windham came out a lot of people were praising them and saying that they weren't the same as Bushmaster since they started their own company, but they are the same people that built them are building windham rifles. If people looked at some of the reviews of Windham rifles from some bloggers, you will see that they aren't that great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWcityguy2 View Post
    Well I guess if you have nothing to add, you can always say something bad about DPMS. Or something witty. Or tell people to just read what other people have written.

    People get so rankled when I make a statement that is less than absolute.
    Really how about this. About 2 years ago a coworker was getting into ARs and asked me to help him set up a carbine he bought because of his brother's advice. His brother recommended a DPMS because that what some instructor said was a good AR, and I told him otherwise but he would not believe me. Literally after the first range outing I was showing him how to take it apart and the BCG would not come out of the upper. Upon closer inspection I could see through one of the gas vents that one of the gas rings got mangled inside the carrier preventing it from moving, something Ive never seen before, you can probably still search the thread I made here asking for help. Thankfully the dealer took back the defective upper and now my coworker, by my advice, sports a BCM 16" lightweight and has had zero problems. I dont parrot back that as good as brands suck because I want to seem cool on M4C but its from EXPERIENCE.

    Found the thread: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...ing-stuck-bolt
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