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    fowler and NWcityguy2,

    What makes this forum amazing is you get the straight scoop from some of the most informed industry experts. There are people from KAC, BCM, MagPul, as well as top trainers and been there done that experts who really know the facts and who's opinion can't be bought, and people who's lives rely on the best functioning weapon they can get. I suspect the reason they are here and not on other sites is because of the low signal to noise ration and serious discussions. This group of knowledgeable people has led to a forum with a distinct set of beliefs on what constitutes a fighting AR-15 versus a clod buster. Opinions that differ from that won't get any love without facts that can back them up. What kind of facts? Not single user samples of a few hundred or a few thousand rounds but tests like Pat Rogers of EAG Tactical pushing filthy 14 to 40,000 rounds with no cleaning https://www.m4carbine.net/archive/in...p/t-95136.html , trainers who see thens of thousands of rounds fired every week by students and see what fails and what doesn't, industry experts that explain why certain materials are used, how they are tested, and why others aren't used. Read a couple hundred post, see who the experts are, and you'll get it. If you don't want to spend the time, don't expect people to listen to you whine.

    Personally I read much and post little because I know the experts here know far more than I do. The topic of this thread has been answered countless times, and if you haven't used the search button, you will not get a full rehash of the answer but will get the one liners from people who have already answered it too many times.

    My answer, you can never go wrong with Colt, and if you want more options, BCM is the go to source. There are other good options too, but that's what the search button is for.

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    Lucky gunner 10,000 round ammo test on 4 bushmaster rifles. The one shooting decent ammo ran 10,000 rounds without a malfunction. Just sayin...
    http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/bras...el-cased-ammo/

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    The bushy i owned had 5000 problem free rounds through it with no problems before i sold it. I did change out the bcg for a bcm bcg though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GI_Jared View Post
    Lucky gunner 10,000 round ammo test on 4 bushmaster rifles. The one shooting decent ammo ran 10,000 rounds without a malfunction. Just sayin...
    http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/bras...el-cased-ammo/
    Except the Tula rifle, which didn't finish the test...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushmaster4162 View Post
    I bought a Windham weaponry mpc,no complaints here. Quality is better than my colt 6920. The Windham m4 will do it's job,if you ( the shooter) do yours. Maintain your rifle,run it wet! & you'll never have a problem.
    I've looked at numerous Windham ARs at gun shows over the last year or two. I have yet to see one that had its castle nut staked. I have also not been allowed to break one down to examine the BCG. I'm sure not going to pay $7-800 for the privilege of doing so, when I can get a 6920 or 6720 for near the same price.
    Colt SP6920, LE6920, 6720
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    DD M4V5 clone, Troy 5.56 Carbine, S&W M&P10
    PSA Lower/BCM LW 16" middie CHF upper
    PSA Lower/BCM LW 14.5" middie upper
    2 PSA 18"6.8 rifles, PSA 20" M16A4 clone
    Remington 870, Remington 700VTR
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    Ruger GP100, Hawkeye77 Compact 6.8SPC
    Kel-Tec KSG, Marlin 336 30-30, HK 45C, VP9
    Sig 1911 Tacops, Scorpion 1911, M11A1, P226 Mk25

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWcityguy2 View Post
    Or why people who form opinions about gun by actually shooting them, generally are more positive than negative. The Military Arms Channel, which only has about 300,000 subscribers, liked the rifles after actually shooting them.

    https://youtu.be/0PVEitTfxm0
    This is old. If you actually kept track of that channel, you would know that he now heavily promotes BCM rifles and regularly recommends the Colt 6920 to new shooters.


    Quote Originally Posted by GI_Jared View Post
    Lucky gunner 10,000 round ammo test on 4 bushmaster rifles. The one shooting decent ammo ran 10,000 rounds without a malfunction. Just sayin...
    http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/bras...el-cased-ammo/
    Funny how you forget to mention that the barrels had to be removed and reinstalled before the testing began because they hadn't been torqued down...

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    Some of the defender-15 rifles I've seen from Armalite recently had some half decent QA measures applied before leaving the factory, and features that would comply with the TDP. Staked castle nut, properly staked carrier keys, HPT/MPI marked on all bolts and barrels (could be batch tested.) They also had mil-spec receiver extensions (probably 6061,) 1/7 twist barrels (likely CMV 4140,) F marked front sight posts, and good looking M4 feed ramps. There's small caveats to these rifles like the possibility of batch testing, the use of 6061 aluminum (unconfirmed,) and likely CMV 4140 for the barrels (also unconfirmed,) but I've sold several of them to people looking for a decently built range rifle. Customers have come back saying they run fine, then again I'm sure it's been maybe 200 rds on them or less.

    To put this in perspective I also had on the wall a couple Bushmasters and a Wyndham. I chose to recommend the Armalite instead of telling them to save for a 6920 or better. Why? Because some shoppers are looking for then and now, they're not interested in saving. So instead of them going to another shop and spending God knows what on a DPMS Oracle, it's sometimes better to steer them towards something that's better than the bottom, but not entirely to spec.

    To the OP; I think you've gotten your answer. Ultimately it would behoove you to spend a little more and receive a much higher quality firearm for the price. Ultimately it's up to you, and I have tons of people say they all look the same. Do some research on this forum without reading into peoples' vehemently emotional posts and you'll discover that the Colt that looks exactly the same and in all likelihood will shoot very similar to the Wyndham or Armalite actually isn't. Material quality matters, as does QA/QC.

    ETA: grammar, spelling errors, etc
    Last edited by Leonidas24; 03-19-15 at 21:26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Competitive shooters will run whatever they company that is writing the check says. So pay zero attention to that. Look at folks with HIGH integrity (Vickers, Hackathorn, Pannone, etc) and see what they shoot. That will tell you what companies they think make good guns/gear.

    Most bloggers either get free guns or access to factories. They rarely EVER find a gun or piece of gear they don't like.



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    Quote Originally Posted by garand1945 View Post
    fowler and NWcityguy2,

    What makes this forum amazing is you get the straight scoop from some of the most informed industry experts. There are people from KAC, BCM, MagPul, as well as top trainers and been there done that experts who really know the facts and who's opinion can't be bought, and people who's lives rely on the best functioning weapon they can get. I suspect the reason they are here and not on other sites is because of the low signal to noise ration and serious discussions. This group of knowledgeable people has led to a forum with a distinct set of beliefs on what constitutes a fighting AR-15 versus a clod buster. Opinions that differ from that won't get any love without facts that can back them up. What kind of facts? Not single user samples of a few hundred or a few thousand rounds but tests like Pat Rogers of EAG Tactical pushing filthy 14 to 40,000 rounds with no cleaning https://www.m4carbine.net/archive/in...p/t-95136.html , trainers who see thens of thousands of rounds fired every week by students and see what fails and what doesn't, industry experts that explain why certain materials are used, how they are tested, and why others aren't used. Read a couple hundred post, see who the experts are, and you'll get it. If you don't want to spend the time, don't expect people to listen to you whine.

    Personally I read much and post little because I know the experts here know far more than I do. The topic of this thread has been answered countless times, and if you haven't used the search button, you will not get a full rehash of the answer but will get the one liners from people who have already answered it too many times.

    My answer, you can never go wrong with Colt, and if you want more options, BCM is the go to source. There are other good options too, but that's what the search button is for.
    Let me know if you ever get to Texas, I want to buy you a beer.

    Well written, and I agree.

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    I would take a beat up BCM or Colt over a new Arma or Windham any day.

    A decade ago you couldnt pay me to take an AR due to the fact that all of the people i knew with AR's (dpms, bush, arma) constantly had problems even just at the range. i went with AK's instead based on this. Flash forward to 2011 and i got some trigger time on a buddies Colt and another guys BCM. now we just got our third BCM and i havent shot my AK's much at all.

    maybe the "cheap" AR's have gotten better since my experiences ? but for a few bucks mre its not worth the chance IMO.

    YMMV
    "I pity thou, fools who dost not choose BCM" - King Arthur 517 A.D.

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