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    Was he arrested or just detained while they search the car? I skimmed the video and never saw a related article. They weren't real friendly in their method of extracting him, probably couldve explained things a little better to him before jerking him out of the car. Maybe they've dealt with him before. The dude kinda looks like death warmed over, sunken in cheeks, pale in color. Maybe he has a medical condition, or maybe he self medicates.

    If I'm a dope runner...that's not a bad way to try and avoid not being searched. Throw a camera on my dash and hope they don't want to mess with me at the checkpoint.

    If the dog alerted than the checkpoints are doing what they're supposed to do. Stopping illegal activity. Until there is a huge wall set up along the entire border not everything is going to get caught at the border. A lot of drugs are caught at these type of checkpoints.

    I lived in a border city former many years. Whereas the checkpoints were a minor inconvenience, I felt better knowing they were there especially post 9-11 when radical Muslims were trying to sneak in from the border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Vaquero View Post
    Was he arrested or just detained while they search the car? I skimmed the video and never saw a related article. They weren't real friendly in their method of extracting him, probably couldve explained things a little better to him before jerking him out of the car. Maybe they've dealt with him before. The dude kinda looks like death warmed over, sunken in cheeks, pale in color. Maybe he has a medical condition, or maybe he self medicates.

    If I'm a dope runner...that's not a bad way to try and avoid not being searched. Throw a camera on my dash and hope they don't want to mess with me at the checkpoint.

    If the dog alerted than the checkpoints are doing what they're supposed to do. Stopping illegal activity. Until there is a huge wall set up along the entire border not everything is going to get caught at the border. A lot of drugs are caught at these type of checkpoints.

    I lived in a border city former many years. Whereas the checkpoints were a minor inconvenience, I felt better knowing they were there especially post 9-11 when radical Muslims were trying to sneak in from the border.
    The moment he started saying "i don't have to answer that" the sovreign citizen alarm bell goes off in my head, which is a very loud alarm bell, and then he actually rolled up his window on the CBP agent's arm. I thought he showed a ton of restraint in that video.

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    They scare me. Remember when some Louisiana cops on I-10 operated checkpoints for the express purpose of confiscating vehicles and cash from out of state travelers using fake charges? In Texas one county sheriff(Humpy Parker)was doing the same thing and giving ass whippings if you didn't like it. He ended up in a federal prison. He got caught by accident when he jacked up an off duty FBI agent passing through on vacation.

    A registered nurse who worked for the Texas prison system encountered a check point in East Texas and agreed to a search of her motor home. This nice old lady(a friend) was horrified when the cops pulled out her possessions, threw them on the ground, and then drove off.

    Check points scare me because I don't trust human nature. Good leadership prevents these types of abuses, but good leadership is not universal, and without it we are subject to whims of human nature--thus the need for balance. How many check points are too many? If you go through a couple, then you'll understand intrusion.

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    Im used to these checkpoints. Just answer the damn question. " yea I am a US citizen, we are headed home" most of the time its a "have a good day sir" (im hispanic, mind you) yes, one time they did hassle us when i was younger, our truck wa very muddy, so i guess that looks suspicious coming from mx. They took us in to the office while they combed through the truck. Lost 2 hours of trip time there.. These guys are just doing their job. I think they do a damn good job at it too. Just recently they caught a load in sierra blanca. (On i10inside the border)

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    Besides, that guy wasn't particularly friendly either. If anything, his asinine statement lit the fuse...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskey_Bravo View Post
    Resources well spent then........ We should have more inland border check points, it's the only way to be sure.
    We should put them on every road, just to be extra sure. How about we start with Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C.???

    Quote Originally Posted by jmoney View Post
    The supreme court ruled that the checkpoints are legitimate. This is absolutely a lawful detention and if drugs were found, arrest. The only reason he was pulled out of the car, was his refusal to answer simple questions.

    The CBP did absolutely nothing wrong there except waste federal taxpayer dollars and violate this man's civil rights. In fact, when the guy rolled up the window on the CBP agent's arm, which he never should've put in the car in the first place I thought he showed pretty good restraint from not escalating the issue further as that is a HUGE officer safety issue, and a precursor to how many officers get dragged by cars. Because after all, violating a citizens civil rights is his right under color of law.

    In every video like this, there is always one common denominator, an individual refusing to comply with simple, lawful orders.
    Fixed it for you.

    I can't believe anyone would support this agent's actions based on this video. From what we see on the dashcam, there was no RAS or PC to stick his arm in the window, and no RAS or PC to pull him bodily from the vehicle. After all, did anyone see a dog sniff the vehicle before the agent put his arm in the car at 2:38? I never saw a single agent around the car until that arm appeared. As a matter of fact, the driver gave the agent a lawful order to remove his arm from the car, which the agent ignored. That was civil rights violation #1. The dog doesn't show up until 2:41 and that agent moves the dog away from the car at 2:47, with the dog never stopping or "alerting". We never see the dog again. The man and his wife answered the citizenship question at 2:51 and he positively asserts his rights at 3:02. He follows the agent's order to put the car in park immediately at 3:09, yet the agent goes hands on at 3:17, having never articulated any RAS or PC. That was civil rights violation #2. The agent says the dog alerted at 4:33, but we've still never seen a dog sit or alert. Absent proof from a 2nd camera, I'd call BS on that statement. The agent goes for the trunk at 5:13, and we know the dog never stopped there. Ultimately, the agent seems most interested in halting the citizen's video recording of his actions at the very end of the video.

    If the results of the search were pursuant to those actions, they should be fruit of the poison tree and tossed. If I were this man's lawyer, I'd use that video to crucify the agent's heavy handedness and rights violations. This is not how we're supposed to treat American citizens traveling peaceably, as is their lawful right. The only thing that agent didn't do wrong was forcibly remove the child when he said "no, I don't want to". Are we supposed to view this as "restraint" on the agent's part? This entire episode could've been handled better in a hundred different ways by the agent. It didn't have to go that way. From what we see on the video, all I see is an overzealous federal agent asserting his "authority" over an American citizen. The only word I can come up with is disgraceful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverBullet432 View Post
    Besides, that guy wasn't particularly friendly either. If anything, his asinine statement lit the fuse...
    What asinine statement?
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    He didnt start out very friendly after being asked a simple question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverBullet432 View Post
    He didnt start out very friendly after being asked a simple question.
    Does he have to? I am not LEO, but I saw a citizen traveling peacibly and exercising his rights, one of which is to be a dick through the first amendment. I know that border protection and patrol needs no PC to search vehicles at the border, but if he isn't at the border, then they shouldn't have been able to do that. The hairs on the back of my neck stood up and I felt really bad for the kid too when the officer opened the door and the kid was screaming "no, I don't want you." If that were my kid, I would be going ape shit trying to get to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverBullet432 View Post
    He didnt start out very friendly after being asked a simple question.
    Not being friendly to a man who's stopped you for doing something you have every right to do, is about as far from an "asinine statement" as I can imagine.
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