A Basic Question About The Internet and Hate...

[SteyrAUG]

Is there a connection between the demise of "white supremacist" groups and the rise of the internet, and if so, why does it seem that Islamic based hatred hasn't fallen victim for the same reason?

Sure there are "white supremacist" websites if you go looking, places like stormfront. But not only are they incredibly unpopular, half of there membership is people trolling them or telling them they are retards, the other 25% are likely infiltrators and the rest are trailer park racists spewing hate on the internet.

While groups like White Aryan Resistance seriously tried to use the internet to increase their membership and coordinate future action, it seems they failed miserably. Groups like "The Order" were actually far more successful (until they were all killed or jailed) when it came to achieving goals and that was before the internet.

It almost seems as if the internet was a deciding factor in the destruction of organized white racist groups.

Seemingly in contrast, Islamic based hate groups appear to have successfully used the internet to effectively spread their message, gain support and plan actions. Granted part of it is that the message is popular in their part of the world and it isn't difficult to get radicals from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.

But at the same time, they are getting a sympathetic pass from a surprising percentage of the US population who aren't muslims. The same people would never cite "cultural consideration" for groups like the KKK, skinheads or neo nazi members. But they worry about if the Boston bombers are being treated fairly, their rights respected and sometimes even wonder if they are innocent and were actually set up.

We even see a small, but still incredible number, of US citizens who actually try to travel to the middle east and join ISIS in their struggle. I don't think there has ever been a case of a white supremacist who actually traveled to the middle east to attack Israel. I think Rachel Corrie is as close as we've ever gotten and I'm sure she probably despised nazis.

We even have groups like CAIR who operate in the US, and despite repeatedly being linked to terrorism from harboring to funding, they still are viewed with a sense of legitimacy that groups like Aryan Nations or the Christian Identity movement will never know.

Even if you reverse the race variable and discuss black supremacist groups like the black panthers, they don't even come close to receiving the same level of sympathy or consideration as Islamic hate groups. While the BPP can more successfully rally without incident than the KKK, they are still viewed as fringe and mostly dangerous. The Nation of Islam seems to get a lot more latitude but is that because they are "black" or is it "Islamic" consideration?

If the KKK or the BPP ever engaged in acts of terrorism like the Boston Marathon bombing, to say nothing of the barbaric acts of ISIS, the world would unite against them and destroy them. When the KKK was at it's most violent, all it took was the murder of three "freedom riders" to bring down the entire weight of the Federal government on them.

Certainly part of it is the "freedom of religion" first amendment issue, but that really doesn't seem to equally extend to the Christian Identity movement or the KKK and their stated Christian foundation. People have no problem dismissing them as extremists, and therefore not "true" Christians, but for some reason we don't seems to make that same distinction when it comes to Islamic based hate groups.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Is there a connection between the demise of "white supremacist" groups and the rise of the internet, and if so, why does it seem that Islamic based hatred hasn't fallen victim for the same reason?

The short answer, social engineering.

It's due in large to "The War On . . . the white heterosexual conservative male". We have had fifty years now of academia and the media industrial complex painting the white male as everyone's problem and cause for all the evils in the world. That is unless of course they fall within the 1% that are gay and or transgender then they are also victims of society and some how deserve special privileges from the other animals here on animal farm.

I think the single greatest recruiter of "radical Islam" is social media, far more successful than a bunch of old Imam's hanging out in mosques, coffee shops, and hookah lounges.

[Honu]

And for some reason people think Islam is peaceful so let it past as a few people

White supremacist types are a tiny % compared to Muslims
We have whole countries of radical Muslims that believe in killing us or enslaving us

Purely a numbers game and for sure people have bought into the freedom fighting they are oppressed by the US or white people I feel

[Averageman]

Just as all hate isn't equal, all discrimination and racial bias isn't either.
If you dare point this out, you're in for a lot of trouble because; no matter how true that might be, it's simply against the rules to make an issue of it.
We hear about "The War on Women", "Hands up don't Shoot!" and we watch Black Panthers spewing hate and promoting violence as they march through Austin Texas, but what we fail to do is call it for what it is.
No one is going to take action, no one is going to make sure your rights are protected and no one except for perhaps here on the Internet is going to call anyone out on it. There is an agenda here and regardless of it being wrong we're heading down the path to failure.
Now if you're a White, Christian Heterosexual, Male you really need to quit reading this, STFU and go to work, 'cause somebody has to pay for all of this shit.

[docsherm]

The short answer, social engineering.

This is spot on. Just like the economic leveling social leveling is part of the libtard agenda. They control the media and most of the web. They have to attack the "the white heterosexual conservative Christian male" at all time to make everyone else feel better about themselves. So has the internet taken them down? Kind of....

Along with mainstream culture. Unless you are a part of some deviant subculture you can't say anything without everyone on the internet attacking you and calling you a raciest, sexiest, or misusing the term phobe (BTW, the changed the definition to include "dislike of what is specified" to appease the left so they can now can be grammatically correct when they use their hate speech).

Are they gone? No, they are still around and I do not know for sure but I am willing to bet that they are growing in numbers. They just have to stay underground and off the web. Remember that the KKK was the most powerful when no one knew if people were members and they meet at night and keep it all a secret. It is like any other insurgency, the public ones are usually a joke, BBP as an example. They ones you do not know about are the real threat because they are smart enough to stay in the shadows and ACTUALLY do some real damage. And when they do stuff they are not going to call CNN and MSNBC to take credit for it. That is pure JV and why terrorist may make a big noise but done actually make any real change.

[MountainRaven]

I suspect that Islamic Radicals are simply more talented at utilizing social media. Had the internet existed in the 1950 and -60s, we likely would have seen much the same thing coming out of the South, et al. with white supremacists... and likely an equally social media-savvy Black Panther Party.

It should be remembered that much of ISIS's leadership is comprised of 20-somethings and 30-somethings - people who grew up with video games and the internet (and many of the older leadership members remaining being those who have survived the raids and air strikes that have killed their contemporaries over the last decade, clearly the path for the younger members). American racial supremacists simply haven't had the same sort of lethal pressure applied to the higher echelons, leaving the guys in their 40s, 50s, and 60s large and in charge - and alienating those of the younger crowd that would otherwise have an interest in such movements.

[26 Inf]

I think the internet has impacted the white supremacist groups simply because it makes it easier for the factions struggling for control to air the other faction's dirty laundry. It's like a family fight carried out in public and the organizations tend to implode.

For the last decade or so, from what I've seen, the leadership of these groups have, in a couple cases, been outed as racial mixed, or Jewish, or fiddling the funds, and, my favorite, unable to keep their hands of other member's wives. The disaffected have a tendency to go off and form splinter groups, which don't prosper/grow.

As far as giving ISIS a pass, hands up don't shoot, I don't assume that the things I read on weapons forums such as this (sorry), Christian websites, police forums, motorcycle forums, racing forums, etc., represent the views of the majority of Americans.

I do believe, as Moose-Knuckle mentioned, that social media is a fertile recruiting ground for the disaffected. As it stands now ISIS isn't airing their inner struggles for control of the organization in public, which differs from many of the supremacist groups.

I also believe that the majority of Americans will applaud and encourage our Nation in raining hate and destruction upon the radical Muslims WHEN (not if) they piss them off enough - that hasn't happened yet. Mark my words, if ISIS, or anyone else thinks America will tolerate the volume of car bombings, suicide bombers, etc. that middle-eastern nations endure, they are freaking nuts, were are still the big boys on the block, they will rue the day they unify us in anger against them.

[SteyrAUG]

As far as giving ISIS a pass, hands up don't shoot, I don't assume that the things I read on weapons forums such as this (sorry), Christian websites, police forums, motorcycle forums, racing forums, etc., represent the views of the majority of Americans.

The typical facebook user making comments about these subjects leads me to believe otherwise.

[26 Inf]

The typical facebook user making comments about these subjects leads me to believe otherwise.

I guess we disagree that facebook users represent the 'typical' American.

I don't know your situation in terms of family, but bear with me while I illustrate a point. I have two daughters, age 15 and 16. Both have been fairly sheltered in that they are busy with activities we are involved in with them. As a result they have never had a lot of time to 'go to the mall and hang out' or associate with many folks outside of their swim teams and Church. We got them Nooks two years ago, but controlled them, we got them phones this Christmas. My daughters go to Church and attend Church youth group. They spend over two hours each day working out at swim practice, an hour each week at music lessons, and at least a half hour each day in focused practice of their instruments - pointing out what a loving father I am, youngest daughter plays drums, constantly - in addition they go shooting with me on a regular basis. They don't have much time to get into mischief, and they are heavily influenced by the moderate conservative thought process. I'm smart enough to know they have me pretty much wrapped around their little fingers, but I am objective enough to know that although the youngest tends toward bitch if she doesn't get her way, these are good, Christian kids.

Having said all that, at least once or twice a month, I have to sit down with them and talk to them about something they've posted on facebook that isn't in line with my ideals, and most importantly, their ideals. They just don't think it through before posting, it is so danged easy just to post.

So, yep, facebook exists, I'm not convinced that it is a true indicator of 1) the majority of Americans; 2) what the posters will do when actually put to the test. I've seen tough talking guys bail on tough calls; I've seem some wimpy behaving gals suck up OC and kick ass. You really never know.

[SteyrAUG]

I guess we disagree that facebook users represent the 'typical' American.

I don't know your situation in terms of family, but bear with me while I illustrate a point. I have two daughters, age 15 and 16. Both have been fairly sheltered in that they are busy with activities we are involved in with them. As a result they have never had a lot of time to 'go to the mall and hang out' or associate with many folks outside of their swim teams and Church. We got them Nooks two years ago, but controlled them, we got them phones this Christmas. My daughters go to Church and attend Church youth group. They spend over two hours each day working out at swim practice, an hour each week at music lessons, and at least a half hour each day in focused practice of their instruments - pointing out what a loving father I am, youngest daughter plays drums, constantly - in addition they go shooting with me on a regular basis. They don't have much time to get into mischief, and they are heavily influenced by the moderate conservative thought process. I'm smart enough to know they have me pretty much wrapped around their little fingers, but I am objective enough to know that although the youngest tends toward bitch if she doesn't get her way, these are good, Christian kids.

Having said all that, at least once or twice a month, I have to sit down with them and talk to them about something they've posted on facebook that isn't in line with my ideals, and most importantly, their ideals. They just don't think it through before posting, it is so danged easy just to post.

So, yep, facebook exists, I'm not convinced that it is a true indicator of 1) the majority of Americans; 2) what the posters will do when actually put to the test. I've seen tough talking guys bail on tough calls; I've seem some wimpy behaving gals suck up OC and kick ass. You really never know.

Sadly, I'm of the opinion that your typical American is far less thoughtful than your daughters.

I've seen way too many "They should kill those Ferguson cops" type posts from people that seemed normal and educated. And when I asked if they were serious, were they advocated the execution of law enforcement officers they said "yes." Maybe it's just my zip code.