A Basic Question About The Internet and Hate...

[Benito]

Is there a connection between the demise of "white supremacist" groups and the rise of the internet, and if so, why does it seem that Islamic based hatred hasn't fallen victim for the same reason?

Sure there are "white supremacist" websites if you go looking, places like stormfront. But not only are they incredibly unpopular, half of there membership is people trolling them or telling them they are retards, the other 25% are likely infiltrators and the rest are trailer park racists spewing hate on the internet.

While groups like White Aryan Resistance seriously tried to use the internet to increase their membership and coordinate future action, it seems they failed miserably. Groups like "The Order" were actually far more successful (until they were all killed or jailed) when it came to achieving goals and that was before the internet.

It almost seems as if the internet was a deciding factor in the destruction of organized white racist groups.

Seemingly in contrast, Islamic based hate groups appear to have successfully used the internet to effectively spread their message, gain support and plan actions. Granted part of it is that the message is popular in their part of the world and it isn't difficult to get radicals from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.

But at the same time, they are getting a sympathetic pass from a surprising percentage of the US population who aren't muslims. The same people would never cite "cultural consideration" for groups like the KKK, skinheads or neo nazi members. But they worry about if the Boston bombers are being treated fairly, their rights respected and sometimes even wonder if they are innocent and were actually set up.

We even see a small, but still incredible number, of US citizens who actually try to travel to the middle east and join ISIS in their struggle. I don't think there has ever been a case of a white supremacist who actually traveled to the middle east to attack Israel. I think Rachel Corrie is as close as we've ever gotten and I'm sure she probably despised nazis.

We even have groups like CAIR who operate in the US, and despite repeatedly being linked to terrorism from harboring to funding, they still are viewed with a sense of legitimacy that groups like Aryan Nations or the Christian Identity movement will never know.

Even if you reverse the race variable and discuss black supremacist groups like the black panthers, they don't even come close to receiving the same level of sympathy or consideration as Islamic hate groups. While the BPP can more successfully rally without incident than the KKK, they are still viewed as fringe and mostly dangerous. The Nation of Islam seems to get a lot more latitude but is that because they are "black" or is it "Islamic" consideration?

If the KKK or the BPP ever engaged in acts of terrorism like the Boston Marathon bombing, to say nothing of the barbaric acts of ISIS, the world would unite against them and destroy them. When the KKK was at it's most violent, all it took was the murder of three "freedom riders" to bring down the entire weight of the Federal government on them.

Certainly part of it is the "freedom of religion" first amendment issue, but that really doesn't seem to equally extend to the Christian Identity movement or the KKK and their stated Christian foundation. People have no problem dismissing them as extremists, and therefore not "true" Christians, but for some reason we don't seems to make that same distinction when it comes to Islamic based hate groups.

A few reasons off the top of my head are:
a) Political Correctness dogma dictates that there is zero cost to criticizing white supremacists, and a massive cost to not only criticizing Islam, but to not lavishly praising Islam. This is due to both it just being not Christianity, and that most (but definitely not all) of its followers are not white.
b) The language barrier. White supremacists tend to speak/write English and other languages which most people that speak said language are not White supremacists. On the flip side, most Arab-speakers/-writers are Muslim, and Islam at its essence hates non-Muslims.
It is much easier to troll/criticize/crackdown on a group whose language you understand than one you don't.
c) Islam is allowed to hide behind freedom of religion, as well as using the threat of accusations of racism, to shut down, evade and deflect criticism. White supremacy simply hasn't been around long enough, nor had a unifying "holy text" to allow it such latitude for evil.

[Averageman]

It seems like hate has become a sellable commodity for the lefts agenda.
It's easy to portray everyone who's a White, Heterosexual, Christian, Male as evil. If you haven't seen this tilt in our culture over the last 30 years, perhaps you're too young to recognize the gradual slide. You apparently don't have to have any real hate in you at all, they are more than willing to throw some at you just to see if it will stick.
When you start mentioning groups like the AB or KKK, they have always been there and probably always will be, but; they never have and never will speak for the majority. The Fed's were pretty proactive in rooting out domestic terror, and I would imagine if you decided to attend a meeting or two of one of these groups it would be documented somewhere. You might even get a surprise the next time you consider taking a flight somewhere.
On the flip side of that same coin though, I didn't see any activity or heard of any outrage when the Black Panthers decided some blunt objects and intimidation in front of a polling place was a good idea. Now imagine for a moment, the Klan doing the same thing?
When you have an organized effort with the full faith and effort of the media to promote social change, you have to pick an enemy. If you don't have one that is actually a threat, then you need to make one up.
Take for instance now that we see all of the media frenzy against Indiana choosing to go with religious freedom. Rather than allowing the LGBT to threaten unending legal actions against Christians who do not support their Gay lifestyle, Indiana just said they have the right to not participate in gay religious ceremonies. Seems logical to me, but now Hoosiers are paying the price for religious freedom and the media is fanning the flames.
It isn't equal, there aren't equal protections and it wont be fixed.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Take for instance now that we see all of the media frenzy against Indiana choosing to go with religious freedom. Rather than allowing the LGBT to threaten unending legal actions against Christians who do not support their Gay lifestyle, Indiana just said they have the right to not participate in gay religious ceremonies. Seems logical to me, but now Hoosiers are paying the price for religious freedom and the media is fanning the flames.
It isn't equal, their aren't equal protections and it wont be fixed.

I'm still waiting for an Islamic owned Halal food market to sale me a bottle of vodka, an issue of Hustler, and a pack of thick slab bacon. I'm also still waiting for my issue of Ivory magazine, the White Entertainment Television network, and a Miss White USA pageant . . .

[MountainRaven]

I'm still waiting for an Islamic owned Halal food market to sale me a bottle of vodka, an issue of Hustler, and a pack of thick slab bacon. I'm also still waiting for my issue of Ivory magazine, the White Entertainment Television network, and a Miss White USA pageant . . .

Do you feel that your demographic is underrepresented in media and entertainments such as magazines, television shows/networks, and beauty pageants?

[SteyrAUG]

Do you feel that your demographic is underrepresented in media and entertainments such as magazines, television shows/networks, and beauty pageants?

Yes in so much as they are permitted to embrace the same racial values as other races. Even something as innocuous as "white pride" automatically has a negative connotation. This is made even more insidious by the fact that race actually doesn't exist on any meaningful level yet we use it as a criteria for very significant quality of life issues like higher education placement and employment.

Imagine a world where preference was based upon height and weight and those who are six feet tall or more automatically received benefits denied to others who are less than six feet and that is basically the same absurdity as placement by virtue of skin pigment.

[williejc]

Having grown up in Mississippi during the 1950s and 60s, I assure you that the Klan killed more people than 3 civil rights workers. When blowing up a church in Birmingham, the Klan killed children,. They dynamited numerous churches in my area. I heard two of these blasts from my bed room window. Many cops were Klan members and carried out bad shit while wearing a badge. I personally know about numerous beatings and intimidations conducted by this group.

[SteyrAUG]

Having grown up in Mississippi during the 1950s and 60s, I assure you that the Klan killed more people than 3 civil rights workers. When blowing up a church in Birmingham, the Klan killed children,. They dynamited numerous churches in my area. I heard two of these blasts from my bed room window. Many cops were Klan members and carried out bad shit while wearing a badge. I personally know about numerous beatings and intimidations conducted by this group.

I never suggested they only killed three people.

[Koshinn]

I think it has to do with religion being a sacred cow in American discourse.

If you can justify your actions with religion, often insane and sometimes criminal actions are given a pass. This is not a blanket statement, but it applies often enough.

That being said, perhaps how the Muslim extremists conform more closely with their religion vs the KKK and Nazis did theirs plays a role.

[SteyrAUG]

I think it has to do with religion being a sacred cow in American discourse.

If you can justify your actions with religion, often insane and sometimes criminal actions are given a pass. This is not a blanket statement, but it applies often enough.

That being said, perhaps how the Muslim extremists conform more closely with their religion vs the KKK and Nazis did theirs plays a role.

I don't see abortion clinic bombers getting a pass. It's a very similar thing, except abortion clinic bombers tend to believe they are saving lives. But it's religiously motivated murder in both cases. The key distinction is that Islam pretty explicitly condones acts of terrorism.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Do you feel that your demographic is underrepresented in media and entertainments such as magazines, television shows/networks, and beauty pageants?

Yes I do.

As a Scot-Irish-German-American heterosexual male I really cannot find any programing, periodicals, and pageants that are exclusive to my demographic. Anything "exclusive" to my demographic has been demonized and criminalized as racist, sexist, and or homophobic.