What's the big deal with this whole Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration law?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

And blacks? Or mixed race couples or women? Maybe people under 5'0"? We can't have it both ways. Either a private institution has the right to ban anyone they see fit, or they don't. If it's no to blacks and women, but yes to gun owners and gays, then there's a total failure of continuity there.

This is why they had to get it so that gay wasn't a choice, its genetic or something. Gay is the new black in their eyes- and that is critical aspect. This is all a planned out progression and long term strategy of incrementalism. Something the left does well and the right does horribly. We go for broke and then go home.

Once again, this has nothing to do with gay people coming into a store and buying something. It is all about issues where a service company has involvement beyond a simple transaction. A jewish architect made to design a shrine to Hitler- for making efficient highways. Make an African-american carpenter make a wooden cross for a KKK states right campfire?

[WillBrink]

This is why they had to get it so that gay wasn't a choice, its genetic or something.

Religion is a choice, so is being in the KKK or other aspects people feel is important to them, so be it genetic or environment matters not. Do we narrow it down to those things we know people have no choice over, like color or height?

Gay is the new black in their eyes- and that is critical aspect. This is all a planned out progression and long term strategy of incrementalism. Something the left does well and the right does horribly. We go for broke and then go home.

Once again, this has nothing to do with gay people coming into a store and buying something. It is all about issues where a service company has involvement beyond a simple transaction. A jewish architect made to design a shrine to Hitler- for making efficient highways. Make an African-american carpenter make a wooden cross for a KKK states right campfire?

And I'd agree no church should ever be forced to perform a gay marriage but I'd still support same sex marriage done by the JOP or other churches that allow it. But as you say, in bold, what's the line there? That's something that would have to be defined specifically to hold up and not get abused by one side of the issues or other. For example, Is sitting down to the counter to eat beyond simple transaction to the business that does not wish to serve X persons?

[skijunkie55]

So if homosexuality has been OK'd by society as a "genetic trait", where will they go next? Incest? Pedophilia? Bestiality? Perfectly acceptable in other parts of the world and at different times in history. Clearly there's something "different" in their genetic make-up that they're born with, so by default we should cut them some slack and ease up on laws that have been written to dissuade those CHOICES. While we're at it, I feel like a woman today so I'd like to have access to the local universities girls shower room. And if you deny my sexual identity I'm going to sue you.

^^^ This is where society is headed when we start making excuses for the choices people make for themselves.

[TAZ]

Will stated it best, better than I did. We either have rights or we have privileges. A private person either has the right tell anyone to eff off or they do not. They don't need to give reason, just get out. AFAIC that applies to anything. Black, white male female whatever. I don't give a shit. A business that posts a no short white guys or no fat chicks or no fags probably won't be in business long cause folks like me will piss on them for being stupid. Sometimes you just need to give people some rope so they can hang themselves.

[kwelz]

So if homosexuality has been OK'd by society as a "genetic trait", where will they go next? Incest? Pedophilia? Bestiality? Perfectly acceptable in other parts of the world and at different times in history. Clearly there's something "different" in their genetic make-up that they're born with, so by default we should cut them some slack and ease up on laws that have been written to dissuade those CHOICES. While we're at it, I feel like a woman today so I'd like to have access to the local universities girls shower room. And if you deny my sexual identity I'm going to sue you.

^^^ This is where society is headed when we start making excuses for the choices people make for themselves.

Are you not able to see the difference between something between two consenting adults with no negative consequences and things like bestiality or pedophilia?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Are you not able to see the difference between something between two consenting adults with no negative consequences and things like bestiality or pedophilia?

Things on a list that would get you stoned in a lot of the world...

Maybe not bestiality, but you get the rest of the alphabet in LGBTIQwhatever- they keep adding on like C3 grew. Once it is all about contracts and not morality, it won't take long for prostitution (length of contract) and polygamy (who are you to tell me how many people I can love)-- those are pretty much slam dunks legally. Even BHOs solicitor general could win those at SCOTUS.

That people can't see the difference between tolerating someone and being asked to be involved in what most people consider to be immoral act is really troubling- all for something that doesn't even get much play in the bible because they probably didn't think it was really a question. Remember even CA voted to ban gay marriage- this would be nowhere without the courts. It would have been even less popular if all the shenanigans the gay mafia is pulling now were part of the original package. Sure, all these groups and corp come out in support- and it seems like there is overwhelming support- until you put people in a private voting booth...

Gays are like Cub's fans. Pretty sure that God isn't too happy with them, they are rooting for the wrong team, and there are a bunch of people in Cincy and STL that aren't big fans. Hell, I might even go see a Cub's game, but I'm not going to cheer for them or tell you that I think they are the winning team.

How's the economic recovery going for the inner city black kids?

[skijunkie55]

Are you not able to see the difference between something between two consenting adults with no negative consequences and things like bestiality or pedophilia?

If one is truly "born" with that genetic disposition to want to love goats or kids, how's that different than someone who is gay? Or an addict? Or serial killer for that matter? I guess we need more gay people to donate their brains to science so we can actually find the sexuality switch?

Point being it's ALL a choice so this nonsense about being born gay so we have to accept it or else we're intolerant bigots has got to go. People chose these actions, just like they choose to bring about bogus lawsuits over cakes and photographs.
Am I for discrimination? Yup. I discriminate every day: recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another. This outrage isn't about rights. It's about a small community of people lashing out because the bible says their lifestyle choice is naturally and morally wrong. If they don't believe the bible is Gods word, why do they make such a big deal about it? Because they know they're wrong and don't want to be held accountable for their actions.

At least that's my personal views on this matter... Lol. Private business? Do what you want. Government needs to take a hike.

[LoveAR]

So if homosexuality has been OK'd by society as a "genetic trait", where will they go next? Incest? Pedophilia? Bestiality? Perfectly acceptable in other parts of the world and at different times in history. Clearly there's something "different" in their genetic make-up that they're born with, so by default we should cut them some slack and ease up on laws that have been written to dissuade those CHOICES. While we're at it, I feel like a woman today so I'd like to have access to the local universities girls shower room. And if you deny my sexual identity I'm going to sue you.

^^^ This is where society is headed when we start making excuses for the choices people make for themselves.

Yep...next thing will be Pedophiles pleading for their equal rights to molest children.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Yep...next thing will be Pedophiles pleading for their equal rights to molest children.

No, tranny's are next- get in line....

[Koshinn]

Yep...next thing will be Pedophiles pleading for their equal rights to molest children.

If one is truly "born" with that genetic disposition to want to love goats or kids, how's that different than someone who is gay? Or an addict? Or serial killer for that matter? I guess we need more gay people to donate their brains to science so we can actually find the sexuality switch?

Look up the word "consent." It's VERY important to distinguish between what is and is not a crime.

Once it is all about contracts and not morality, it won't take long for prostitution (length of contract) and polygamy (who are you to tell me how many people I can love)-- those are pretty much slam dunks legally.

Prostitution should be legal in the rest of the country. Human trafficking should of course remain illegal.

I don't have a stance on polygamy to be honest. The way it's traditionally/stereotypically done is not ok, but with _consenting_ _adults_, it should be fine.