Terrorists kill 15+ in Kenya

[7.62NATO]

We have the ability to end this problem by supper time tonight. Nuke, chem, carpet bombing- all high effective and pretty much off the table. It isn't that we don't have the capability- it's that we lack the will. If ISIS takes over a city, you give the people 48 hours to overthrow them or you carpet bomb the city just like we did to the occupied countries in WWII. When we are willing to use a level of violence that would make most of us puke, that's when we start to change the balance of power.

At this time, there is no need to use WMDs in the ME, since our conventional bombs are plenty effective. We do not, however, drop enough of them on the savages...

[T2C]

We should be tracking these savages and cautiously supporting the ME countries that are fighting them.

If these savages attack a target in CONUS, we should pound them with Thor's hammer and have only enough boots on the ground to ID targets and confirm they were destroyed.

[7.62NATO]

We should be tracking these savages and cautiously supporting the ME countries that are fighting them.

If these savages attack a target in CONUS, we should pound them with Thor's hammer and have only enough boots on the ground to ID targets and confirm they were destroyed.

The savages have threatened to attack CONUS targets, and OCONUS US allies. That alone, is a good reason to carpet bomb their cities. We know what they're capable of doing to those who refuse to share their ideology. Their culture is one of death and cruelty. Like begets like.

[OH58D]

Would anyone here be surprised that some day in the future, probably in the Winter at Christmas since heavy clothing wouldn't draw attention, that multiple terrorists detonate backpack bombs filled with nails and other shrapnel in Wal-Marts all over the Country. This would be coordinated to happen at the same time. How can you fight something like that? Maximum terror at one of our biggest Christian holidays. Maybe I'm getting too old but I say profile the Hell out of every raghead in this Country and shut down emigration of that ilk.

[SOW_0331]

The savages have threatened to attack CONUS targets, and OCONUS US allies. That alone, is a good reason to carpet bomb their cities. We know what they're capable of doing to those who refuse to share their ideology. Their culture is one of death and cruelty. Like begets like.

Okay I have tried to avoid these discussions lately but after the last few pages of comments I have a few questions. Particularly where this thread is based on the attack in Kenya.

For those who suggest we nuke the savages, I am curious where exactly we are going to drop these nukes. Outside of Iran, there seems to be a serious lack of defined borders. Many of the decision makers, planners, and movers and shakers of these organizations live within the borders of our allies. They exist in the underground and take careful steps to remain distant from the verifiable locations of the legitimate mil targets. You can nuke anything outside of our allies' borders and still do little if anything to the capability of a terror network to carry out international insurgency. And before we go into deciding which of our allies is going to be collateral damage in our nuclear middle finger to the world, understand that our using any type of nuclear or similar weapon will likely lead to a few retaliatory warheads landing in our back yard. Hey, acceptable loss right? Except that is a pretty high risk to take on when we haven't been victim of any successful terror attack in almost 14 years. We would be accepting a very high death toll on Americans ICONUS as a preventive measure for something that's incurred almost no death toll in the US since 9/11.

If instead we go the carpet bombing route as mentioned, bombing the cities of the savages, again...where are we bombing? Besides Syria having a few known areas under ISIL control (and it's arguably in our best interest to let Assad's forces keep them occupied in the fight there), where do we know of a collective group of terrorists that would have a significant impact on the network's ability to continue operations if we remove them? If our plan is to carpet bomb any location which houses a terror cell operative of some sort, we will have made all terror networks more capable of causing fear and killing innocents than they ever could have hoped. So I'm not against the idea of using ordnance instead of boots on the ground. I just haven't heard where that would be a good plan and have any real effect. I know, the devil's in the details.

I agree with the comment I quoted here if only because 7.62NATO stated "we don't need to use WMDs in the ME". No, we dont, and if we had it would have done dick to prevent the attack in Kenya. Because not only is Kenya one of the most cooperative allied nations we have in Africa, it's also...not in the ME. Its not in Somalia either, and if ISIS has any presence in Kenya it's not one of significace. I mean we could nuke Kenya as has been suggested, but that would do more harm than good.

And while I don't know why I'm actually giving this idea any thought, there is no similarity in any way to the reasons Kenya was attacked and the so called attack on Christianity from the icky gays in the American Midwest. Mostly because Christianity, and likely Americans, were not the intended targets in this attack. This was likely an attempt to use fear to end the cooperation and partnership between Kenya and the western forces and commerce they host. I'll avoid the irony in the notion that the Gay Agenda is somehow more like the Muslim extremists than the American Christians who insist to dictate what behavior is acceptable in their religious law.

[SOW_0331]

Would anyone here be surprised that some day in the future, probably in the Winter at Christmas since heavy clothing wouldn't draw attention, that multiple terrorists detonate backpack bombs filled with nails and other shrapnel in Wal-Marts all over the Country. This would be coordinated to happen at the same time. How can you fight something like that? Maximum terror at one of our biggest Christian holidays. Maybe I'm getting too old but I say profile the Hell out of every raghead in this Country and shut down emigration of that ilk.

There's a few better ways to deliver something like that into a store like Walmart. They would be amateurs to use suicide vests in such a permissive environment.

And profiling rag heads would work out super great until you have people who can't tell the difference between an Arab and someone from India...or Brazil. I'm Hispanic and I can't believe how many other ethnicities I've been assumed to be. So we might as well open up the internment camps and round up any brownish Americans or, if we're somehow capable of doing so, just the Arab ones. That really put the Japanese empire to a screeching halt when we did it back in WW2 right?

Of course that won't matter because there's no shortage of non-Arab supporters and willing participants who could slip through the profiling measures. So maybe we'll just forbid anyone from going to walmart. Or imprison everyone in the US because they could look like a potential terrorist of an unknown origin in the potential future.

Or, we could understand that there will always be a risk. There is no way to reduce the freedoms of some to guarantee the safety of another. If there is intent, there is a means to be successful. The only thing that has kept such an incident from happening so far is that nobody has tried.

[Koshinn]

SOW, this is an emotional venting session, not a place where we use logic and facts to put forth well-supported arguments! I mean if we wanted realistic and feasible solutions, would we really be arguing over the internet?




(But seriously though, keep posting intelligent discussion points.)

[OH58D]

The Israelis do a very good job of profiling, and keeping tabs on potential terrorists and sympathizers. El AL does a good job of profiling passengers before and during boarding of their commercial aircraft. Instead, we single out Catholic Nuns and 15 year old blonde, blue-eyed High School Sophomores for TSA extra pat-downs and violations. We still haven't become Sweden or France, filled with 3rd World refugees who harbor an 8th Century mentality. Keep them out and keep tabs on the ones who are here.

SOW 0331, I live in a State with a Spanish population which has been here for 400 years. These people are of direct descent from the Spanish Conquistadors. Many are blue eyed, green eyed and even red hair. It's an insult to call them Mexican, which they insist they are not. These are fighting words to call them Mexican. You can't tell these people from any other Anglo, but they are definitely an ethnic group. My ranch foreman is a descendent from a family who came from Castile Spain in the 1740s via Mexico City and an expedition going north.

We have the capacity to figure out who wants to do us harm in this Country. Look at the three women back east who are ISIS sympathizers and planned some kind of domestic attacks. Like it or not, our Intel including the NSA, FBI and other organizations are working overtime to protect us.

[T2C]

We have the capacity to figure out who wants to do us harm in this Country.

I believe that compared to 40 years ago, we have a very limited capability to do this.

[Moose-Knuckle]

The Israelis do a very good job of profiling, and keeping tabs on potential terrorists and sympathizers. El AL does a good job of profiling passengers before and during boarding of their commercial aircraft. Instead, we single out Catholic Nuns and 15 year old blonde, blue-eyed High School Sophomores for TSA extra pat-downs and violations. We still haven't become Sweden or France, filled with 3rd World refugees who harbor an 8th Century mentality. Keep them out and keep tabs on the ones who are here.

SOW 0331, I live in a State with a Spanish population which has been here for 400 years. These people are of direct descent from the Spanish Conquistadors. Many are blue eyed, green eyed and even red hair. It's an insult to call them Mexican, which they insist they are not. These are fighting words to call them Mexican. You can't tell these people from any other Anglo, but they are definitely an ethnic group. My ranch foreman is a descendent from a family who came from Castile Spain in the 1740s via Mexico City and an expedition going north.

We have the capacity to figure out who wants to do us harm in this Country. Look at the three women back east who are ISIS sympathizers and planned some kind of domestic attacks. Like it or not, our Intel including the NSA, FBI and other organizations are working overtime to protect us.

Spot on.

With the NSA and various other alphabets who violate We the People's privacy 24/7 you would think they would have something. While the TSA goons molest 90 year old women with diapers and toddlers for IED's they give burqa Betty a pass in the name of political correctness. How about those Islam enclaves across CONUS where they train with unregistered automatic weapons?