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Thread: BUIS Comparison: Troy FBS & MI ERS

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Yes I did, and they took great care of me.

    As it turns out, and I didn't get to report this because the thread was locked, it was also apparently a very old version that I got used (and possibly abused).
    Glad to hear they took care of you.

    It appears from the pics above that current versions still utilize the allen head deal on the left side to hold it all together and secure the ball/detent. If that's the case, I'm guessing there's no fundamental design change between your old one and current production models. Chime in if that's not the case.

    Assuming you are still running a Troy, do you run it stock or did you locktite the allen screw down as an added security measure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotm4 View Post
    No you're comparison is like comparing a Lincoln Navigator to a Chevy Tahoe (instead of the Cadillac Escalade).
    Okay, I see that, but we can get pretty wrapped around a semantic axle here with the word "comparison." How about a review of each in conjunction with the other? I'm not sure what term would be preferable. Not trying to be argumentative.

    Comparing / contemplating in conjunction the Navigator to the Tahoe is actually by design, but it's not a competition.

    By whom?
    LE folks wanting to standardize on a specific unit. This post, and particulars, are part of a larger work on the topic in that vein.
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    Skintop911, Great pictures and a good review as far as it goes, and I understand why the comparison of the two sights did not include the MI SPLP. Battl3frOnt, your statement that the Troy FBS is not any better than the MI SPLP leads me to think that you have never taken a close look at the two sights together, or do not understand what you are not seeing. The locking mechanism that holds the Troy in the upright position is markedly stronger and the windage adjustment dial has a much stiffer spring to keep it from being moved accidentally or by prying fingers in a rack. They are BUIS with no need for easy windage changes, as Mark Larue says "set it and forget it". The Troy sights are considered to be "the best" for a reason.
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    Nice write up. Funny thing is, before I sold my ERS, I had the exact same comparsion side by side. I did end up buying a second Troy sight, but the ERS was GTG. The Troy locks up a good bit more solidly, but the ERS, although not as rigid when locked, seemed like it could handle some heavy blows.

    BTW, while some may say the comparison is apples and oranges (and I see where the SPLP sight would be a better mechanical match) I have to disagree. Many people don't compare the Troy to the SPLP, which is substantially closer in cost, but rather to the ERS, because the cost difference becomes more apparent, without any significant performance loss. IMHO, the ERS's greatest difference, and the "flaw" that prompted me to buy a second Troy was the two-plane sight aperture. I simply cannot for the life of me juggle two different zero's, much less make the difficult choice of which one to zero with, knowing my precise shots must be made with the small aperture, but my large aperture is in my face as the sight comes up.

    Thanks for doing the community a great service, this is one of the more important topics that people ask about, if you can include any more BUIS's, I think the sky is the limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skintop911 View Post
    Thanks, Bill. Several folks report similar success with the MI.



    Thanks for your comment. I have no issue with your choice in sights, but I'm curious as to why you choose the SPLP over the FBS. You post that it's "not any better", and for your purposes, it might not be, but perhaps there's something else useful for the discussion? The SPLP is indeed a serviceable sight. What gives it the nod for you?
    The reason is that it is low profile and I like the sleek look the MI SPLP has over the ERS, I have checked out both the Troy and MI sight's at my local gun shop and I went with MI, I could not find a reason to pick the Troy over the MI I think they are both very good BUIS and I will not cut back on cost if I know for a fact somthing that is 20 buck's more will last longer or do a better job , I do like troy as well I use there FF rail on my AR but I could not tell that the Troy was a better BUIS and I find my MI to work very well and I have had no prob's with it.. and as for a Back up sight it work's very well and does the job as advertised, in my case I do not use it that much since it sit's under my ACOG 80% of the time but I do like to shoot with Iorn sights once in a while and it work's like it has since I first zerod it in, I shoot 100yds-300yds with it and have had nothing go wrong..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushmasterFanBoy View Post
    Nice write up. Funny thing is, before I sold my ERS, I had the exact same comparsion side by side. I did end up buying a second Troy sight, but the ERS was GTG. The Troy locks up a good bit more solidly, but the ERS, although not as rigid when locked, seemed like it could handle some heavy blows.

    BTW, while some may say the comparison is apples and oranges (and I see where the SPLP sight would be a better mechanical match) I have to disagree. Many people don't compare the Troy to the SPLP, which is substantially closer in cost, but rather to the ERS, because the cost difference becomes more apparent, without any significant performance loss. IMHO, the ERS's greatest difference, and the "flaw" that prompted me to buy a second Troy was the two-plane sight aperture. I simply cannot for the life of me juggle two different zero's, much less make the difficult choice of which one to zero with, knowing my precise shots must be made with the small aperture, but my large aperture is in my face as the sight comes up.

    Thanks for doing the community a great service, this is one of the more important topics that people ask about, if you can include any more BUIS's, I think the sky is the limit.

    Both MI and Troy use same Plane sight aperture, but anyway I would like to see a Troy BUIS and a MI SPLP comparison, I really cannot find a flaw with the SPLP and I guess I did not look close with the ERS since I wanted a low profile type BUIS anyway I went right for the SPLP I will be buying another BUIS but I will be going with the SPLP agian im sure unless I can find a prob with it and I really do like the MI gas block/front sight when I get around to it but I really would like to see more BUIS review's this was a good one, I would like to see the ARMS,SPLP and even the LaRue BUIS reviewed from this person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battl3fr0nt View Post
    Both MI and Troy use same Plane sight aperture, but anyway I would like to see a Troy BUIS and a MI SPLP comparison.
    As someone who is currently debating between these 2 sights, the thought of a comparison by one of the more informed guys than myself (read almost everyone on this board! ) intrigues me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battl3fr0nt View Post
    Both MI and Troy use same Plane sight aperture, but anyway I would like to see a Troy BUIS and a MI SPLP comparison, I really cannot find a flaw with the SPLP
    Quote Originally Posted by TN cop View Post
    As someone who is currently debating between these 2 sights, the thought of a comparison by one of the more informed guys than myself (read almost everyone on this board! ) intrigues me.
    I've added it to the list. Someone else may get to it quicker, though.

    Photos and detail are useful of course, but in the interim... Examine the locking mechanism of the ERS, cross bolt, tolerances, and windage adjustment of the ERS, and incorporate them into a form change more akin to the Troy FBS. That's (essentially) the SPLP.
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    The MI SPLP has a same plane aperture, but the ERS uses the A2 type aperture that gives you two different points of impact. For the $10 difference at retail between the MI SPLP (129.95) and the Troy FBS (140.00) you get a tougher sight. If you are just shooting targets at the range and don't expect to ever use or need it for anything else then it's no big deal.
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    Well I really checked out my SPLP and it seems to have no probs and I dont really get why you dont think it will stand up to abuse, I mean it is a backup sight so it really is not somthing I will be using alot but even if I had to I think it is a awesome sight. maby you should do a review about it rather then the ERS but even the ERS seemed to be a pretty nice sight but I just wanted somthing low profile and the Troy BUIS seems to be just as good as the MI SPLP so its really up to the buyer The Troy is only 20 bucks more so if you want the Troy name then yeah go with the Troy but other then that they are made very much the same.

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