H&K on the brink... H&K G36 is apparently a POS

[Alpha-17]

Saw the test on another thread. Not a perfect comparison, but it doesn't display the massive POI shift reported in even minor ways. Interesting.

[foxtrotx1]

Saw the test on another thread. Not a perfect comparison, but it doesn't display the massive POI shift reported in even minor ways. Interesting.

Unless the range is duplicated, as I don't see it as a fair test. The difference could be concealed at 50 yards, but exacerbated at 100+. Varying climate and ammo are also confounding factors. Statistically, a larger N would also be needed.

No mistake, i'm not hating on the rifle, just going for proper methods.

[Koshinn]

I don't have an issue with POI shift from my SL8. I have shot 50 rounds from 2-20 rds and a 10 rd magazine in rapid succession with no issues with POA/POI. In fact I have not had a single malfunction since owning the gun, granted with only a few thousand rounds from it.
It is a pretty heavy profile barrel.
When I get a chance, if I remember, I will take it out and shoot some groups and post.

The TFB article says the accuracy problems occur in as little as 4 mags on full auto. So at the minimum, you shouldn't expect to see a problem until you've fired 120 rds full auto or probably 130 rds on quick semi auto.

50 rds isn't even half way to the minimum failure point.

[hotrodder636]

I did not read the article, only the posts in the thread. Lucky for me I don't shoot my SL-8 full auto.

If I have some ammo to waste, I may try a 150ish round test. Anyone want to donate some 5.56 to the cause, LOL?

The TFB article says the accuracy problems occur in as little as 4 mags on full auto. So at the minimum, you shouldn't expect to see a problem until you've fired 120 rds full auto or probably 130 rds on quick semi auto.

50 rds isn't even half way to the minimum failure point.

[Abraxas]

******

[Abraxas]

And very supportive to "shut down HK" project of some extremely lefty / green politicians.

They even planned to build concrete "sarcophagus" over HK plantm by dumping concrete from helicopters. Seriously. They even had crowd-funding campaign on that:

https://youtu.be/tvPoncNYF5g

Wouldn't it just be easier to raze it? Not that I want to, I like HK, just asking a question.

[montrala]

Wouldn't it just be easier to raze it? Not that I want to, I like HK, just asking a question.

Progressive lefty activists. They assumed HK would repel any ground assault, but did not think that G28, HK121 and GMG would work fine as improvised AAA

[Abraxas]

Progressive lefty activists. They assumed HK would repel any ground assault, but did not think that G28, HK121 and GMG would work fine as improvised AAA

Good point.

[Rubio Negro]

Back in the news...

[MorphCross]

Back in the news...

Taken from the article and kept in context.

The first suggestions that the gun might be faulty date back to April 2010, when 32 Bundeswehr paratroopers were ambushed by Taliban fighters in northern Afghanistan. Three German soldiers were killed in a nine-hour firefight. The G36 was said to have overheated, forcing the Germans to retreat.

For years no action was taken. Then defense minister von der Leyen commissioned a new study of the weapon. It was completed last month and the results were damning.

"In demanding battle situations, precise engagement of the enemy is not reliable," the confidential report, seen by Reuters, reads.

In Oberndorf, the report was greeted with fury and incredulity.

Why, Heckler and Koch asks, does Germany suddenly have a problem with a weapon its military has used for nearly 20 years? Why haven't other G36 countries complained? And why are politicians rather than troops who use the rifle criticizing it?

"It looks to me like von der Leyen has jumped at the chance to send a tough message to a company that cannot fight back because it's relatively small and has an image problem," said Thomas Wiegold, a Berlin journalist who blogs on defense issues.

A German officer with experience in Afghanistan, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity, said: "Any weapon gets hot if you shoot it long enough. The G36 is not a machine gun and it's not made to be one."

Bolded for truth.