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    Thanks for the info rob.I am going to perform the upgrades that were listed in the link as I will be using my rifle for home defense.Also in the future I will do more research before buying.Thanks again. Tom

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    Unless you can find an odd the shelf RRA, enjoy the wait! Or, spend a few $$ more and get a Noveske.

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    I have neither the tools nor the knowledge to assemble a parts gun for my 1st AR, so I determined, from Robs chart, that the CDM4LE would be the best value for me. Ordered one thru a pawn shop(lowest price-less than $1000 total price out the door) including Michaels lifetime warranty and I have his personal phone# if it breaks Exceptional-so far. I'd be willing to bet, CD offers a LE discount
    Last edited by McQ68; 07-14-08 at 18:53. Reason: corrected CDM4LE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frntsyt View Post
    OK, I'm not looking to start another I love...I hate thread.
    Our bids came in and it looks like the choices are between Bushmaster, DPMS, and Rock River.
    The requirements called for a chrome lined chamber and bore so all will be ordered/delivered that way. The carbines will have A2 carry handles.
    I start by saying I have shot all three, as complete guns, and started out as parts (uppers/lowers), with positive results. I have also personally seen all 3 have problems from the factory or otherwise.
    So with that being said, I want documentable facts as to why one is better than the others...
    Thanks for the help!

    This is kind of like picking the lessor of 3 evils. So to say that one is better from another is really hard to say.
    From what we have been seeing of late, the DPMS looks like it might have the best staking of the gas key. The BM on the other hand has better barrel steel.

    I guess that I would have to say go with the BM and make sure to stake the castle nut and gas key.

    I would also check the chamber and make sure it is a true 556 NATO (not a 223 wylde one).


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    Quote Originally Posted by rowdeyreddog View Post
    After reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that I have really messed up.I bought a bushmaster about 4 months ago.It hasn't given me any problems as of yet,but the way you guys talk that will be short lived.That being said can you tell me what I can do to bring my rifle up to par or would it be best to sell it and start over.
    If it hasn't given you any problems then you haven't ran it hard enough.
    If it continues to work, then you're in the minority of users who have Bushmaster's that work properly.
    Go buy a lottery ticket.

    You over paid, and have a rifle that is at the bottom of the scrap bucket. It's been assembled with shoddy parts which fail to meet minimum TDP requirements in nearly every regard. Your weapon (if it can even be called that ), was pinned, punched, and snapped together with carelessness and ignorant hands. Assembly workers who are blind to ideas such as a staked castle nut and a staked carrier key. Bushmaster deems these points of interest as unnecessary. Bushmaster is notorious for putting out absolutely horrendous examples of the AR-15, and their reputation is most certainly well deserved. Huge failure rates have been observed by both instructors and students at multiple instructional classes. These anecdotal accounts are worthless on their own, but when taken as a whole they are much too plentiful to ignore.
    These observations are factual and demonstrate just how pitiful a weapon Bushmaster is capable of putting out.

    You won't catch me with a Bushmaster any time soon and I doubt anyone on this forum who takes themselves seriously would honestly consider using a Bushmaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushmasterFanBoy View Post
    If it hasn't given you any problems then you haven't ran it hard enough.
    If it continues to work, then you're in the minority of users who have Bushmaster's that work properly.
    Go buy a lottery ticket.

    You over paid, and have a rifle that is at the bottom of the scrap bucket. It's been assembled with shoddy parts which fail to meet minimum TDP requirements in nearly every regard. Your weapon (if it can even be called that ), was pinned, punched, and snapped together with carelessness and ignorant hands. Assembly workers who are blind to ideas such as a staked castle nut and a staked carrier key. Bushmaster deems these points of interest as unnecessary. Bushmaster is notorious for putting out absolutely horrendous examples of the AR-15, and their reputation is most certainly well deserved. Huge failure rates have been observed by both instructors and students at multiple instructional classes. These anecdotal accounts are worthless on their own, but when taken as a whole they are much too plentiful to ignore.
    These observations are factual and demonstrate just how pitiful a weapon Bushmaster is capable of putting out.

    You won't catch me with a Bushmaster any time soon and I doubt anyone on this forum who takes themselves seriously would honestly consider using a Bushmaster.


    Dude, go to AA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushmasterFanBoy View Post
    If it hasn't given you any problems then you haven't ran it hard enough.
    If it continues to work, then you're in the minority of users who have Bushmaster's that work properly.
    Go buy a lottery ticket.

    You over paid, and have a rifle that is at the bottom of the scrap bucket. It's been assembled with shoddy parts which fail to meet minimum TDP requirements in nearly every regard. Your weapon (if it can even be called that ), was pinned, punched, and snapped together with carelessness and ignorant hands. Assembly workers who are blind to ideas such as a staked castle nut and a staked carrier key. Bushmaster deems these points of interest as unnecessary. Bushmaster is notorious for putting out absolutely horrendous examples of the AR-15, and their reputation is most certainly well deserved. Huge failure rates have been observed by both instructors and students at multiple instructional classes. These anecdotal accounts are worthless on their own, but when taken as a whole they are much too plentiful to ignore.
    These observations are factual and demonstrate just how pitiful a weapon Bushmaster is capable of putting out.

    You won't catch me with a Bushmaster any time soon and I doubt anyone on this forum who takes themselves seriously would honestly consider using a Bushmaster.
    I take it you would recommend selling the bushmaster and starting over.

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    Quality

    After my 23 years of military service, I spent some years as a Production Manager in a couple different assembly line production companies-automotive and industrial hardware. All decisions/policies/standards came from the top down. The worker at the bottom was just following those guidelines as per written directive. Don't blame them for a sub standard product. They assembled the product with the parts that were given to them. I've seen Quality Control depts told to pass/ignore borderline products to meet production quotas. It was all about numbers out the door. And what good is a quality product if no one in customer service answers the phone or calls you back? The bottom line for any consumer good: is what are you going to use it for, how much do you want to pay, how much are you willing to pay for a "name brand", how long do you expect it to last, is it an entry level item, do you plan to upgrade in the future? Every ones answers are different to these questions. We all can't afford Porsches to drive to Wally World and back, especially with the wife and 2 children. Not everyone bought a Colt for their 1st AR, and will never use it to defend their life. We were all newbies once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rowdeyreddog View Post
    I take it you would recommend selling the bushmaster and starting over.
    Major understatement.
    How about not selling it so that others won't have to experience their gas key shearing off, stock coming loose, and become an expert at clearing jams.

    I think every forum member here would tell you to either upgrade or ditch the Bushmaster. Bushmaster has soured our mouths and Bushmaster just might find that we may not be too willing to suck on their teet again when the ACR is released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushmasterFanBoy View Post
    If it hasn't given you any problems then you haven't ran it hard enough. f it continues to work, then you're in the minority of users who have Bushmaster's that work properly. Go buy a lottery ticket. You over paid, and have a rifle that is at the bottom of the scrap bucket. It's been assembled with shoddy parts which fail to meet minimum TDP requirements in nearly every regard. Your weapon (if it can even be called that ), was pinned, punched, and snapped together with carelessness and ignorant hands. Assembly workers who are blind to ideas such as a staked castle nut and a staked carrier key. Bushmaster deems these points of interest as unnecessary. Bushmaster is notorious for putting out absolutely horrendous examples of the AR-15, and their reputation is most certainly well deserved. Huge failure rates have been observed by both instructors and students at multiple instructional classes. These anecdotal accounts are worthless on their own, but when taken as a whole they are much too plentiful to ignore. These observations are factual and demonstrate just how pitiful a weapon Bushmaster is capable of putting out. You won't catch me with a Bushmaster any time soon and I doubt anyone on this forum who takes themselves seriously would honestly consider using a Bushmaster.
    While I'm not the president of the BM fan club, and reticent to run to BM's defense, I think your statement is a little over the top.

    BM indeed shortcuts a number of manufacturing and assembly points. The gun is not a cinderblock, however, and many shortcomings are likely correctable. The extent to which they are, and at what expense, will vary.

    We should endeavor to be accurate, and avoid such hyperbole.
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