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    I have started the improvement process on my bushmaster.the carrier key was already stacked but I did it again to improve the stack as it didn't look very good.I would post pics if I knew how, but I'm not that great with computers.

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    to the op, keep the Bushmaster, shoot it and love it.

    sure it may seem like Bushy has "a lot" of defects but let's put this in perspective............

    in 2005 Bushy put out just over 65,000 rifles. the next closest AR manufacturer was DPMS with just under 22,000. from there it spirals down very quickly, making most other AR manufacturers seem like custom shops. now with that level of production how do things stack up? i wonder what the FAIL % rate is at some of these places?

    http://www.shootingindustry.com/Page...4.html#longgun

    Bushmaster is a good company with top quality customer service. sure you may need to re-do the gas key but most of us here shoot more than the average guy (well i do) and he'll never know that it's not done properly so what's the big deal. of all of the Bushy rifles i've sold (gun shop) and own i only know of 1 that has had any malfunction. the sight post was canted, that was a quick and easy fix. we had it back in a week with a NEW barrel. even the highly respected LMT has put out some canted FSB's.

    to me it's kinda like this.....you are not going to take a factory stock truck (insert your brand) and win the Baja 1000. so why do you expect to buy a factory stock rifle and win a 1000yd competition?

    colt = lowest bid with production capability that's all it is! it's a government contract, nothing more. if any other company would have "won" the contract then their rifles would be made to "exact" mil spec. (well the ones for the mil/leo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmedSuspect View Post
    to the op, keep the Bushmaster, shoot it and love it.

    sure it may seem like Bushy has "a lot" of defects but let's put this in perspective............

    in 2005 Bushy put out just over 65,000 rifles. the next closest AR manufacturer was DPMS with just under 22,000. from there it spirals down very quickly, making most other AR manufacturers seem like custom shops. now with that level of production how do things stack up? i wonder what the FAIL % rate is at some of these places?

    http://www.shootingindustry.com/Page...4.html#longgun

    Bushmaster is a good company with top quality customer service. sure you may need to re-do the gas key but most of us here shoot more than the average guy (well i do) and he'll never know that it's not done properly so what's the big deal. of all of the Bushy rifles i've sold (gun shop) and own i only know of 1 that has had any malfunction. the sight post was canted, that was a quick and easy fix. we had it back in a week with a NEW barrel. even the highly respected LMT has put out some canted FSB's.

    to me it's kinda like this.....you are not going to take a factory stock truck (insert your brand) and win the Baja 1000. so why do you expect to buy a factory stock rifle and win a 1000yd competition?

    colt = lowest bid with production capability that's all it is! it's a government contract, nothing more. if any other company would have "won" the contract then their rifles would be made to "exact" mil spec. (well the ones for the mil/leo)
    This is kind of what I hear from gun store clerks all the time; "They are all the same, you won't shoot it enough to know the difference so why pay more."

    QTY does not equal quality. BM does put out a lot of weapons, but that does not excuse them for making the errors that they do.

    The purpose and the reason why it is important to buy a weapon that has a .Mil contract (or follows the TDP) is because it is a set standard. BM follows no set standard. So what do you think you get when a company does not have any standard to follow? High quality or low quality? As a general rule, they always follow the standard that puts the most coin in their pocket.

    Just to be clear, by having a .Mil contract, the company is required to follow a certain standard. That standard was established (by the Military) to ensure that that a quality fighting weapon is built.

    If you only think that BM's only flaws are canted FSB's and poorly staked gas keys, you might want to take a closer look at them.


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    is my LaRue upper milspec? what about the LMT i have on backorder? how about the Noveske i plan to pick up before the election? nope, not milspec at all but all of them better than my issue M16 and M4's.

    if a product is junk it'll sink, if not we would be stuck with pinto's. try to make 65,000 anything and not get a few wrong. Colt gets shit wrong too.

    what pistol do you shoot? an M9? you think that is the "be all end all" side arm? it's milspec. i can't tell you how many thousands of rounds i've put through M9's and i will never own one. my USP's and glocks are better.

    don't forget this is still America (until november) and we are free to buy what it is that makes each of us happy. i don't hate colt, i just don't buy into the hype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmedSuspect View Post
    is my LaRue upper milspec? what about the LMT i have on backorder? how about the Noveske i plan to pick up before the election? nope, not milspec at all but all of them better than my issue M16 and M4's.

    if a product is junk it'll sink, if not we would be stuck with pinto's. try to make 65,000 anything and not get a few wrong. Colt gets shit wrong too.

    what pistol do you shoot? an M9? you think that is the "be all end all" side arm? it's milspec. i can't tell you how many thousands of rounds i've put through M9's and i will never own one. my USP's and glocks are better.

    don't forget this is still America (until november) and we are free to buy what it is that makes each of us happy. i don't hate colt, i just don't buy into the hype.
    And what hype would that be? Have YOU looked closely at Bushmasters?
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    In the interest of curiosity (and hopefully not to open a can of worms) what are the most common observed problems with Bushmasters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slater View Post
    In the interest of curiosity (and hopefully not to open a can of worms) what are the most common observed problems with Bushmasters?
    Check out the excellent chart that M4carbine.net user, Rob_S put together.

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    i guess that if only milspec will cut it i need to rethink my life. i'll start by sending back my SS barrels because it's not parkerized under the FSB.

    seriously, milspec don't mean all that much. did you think that the milspec jungle boot was the best thing ever? my feet still hurt thinking about them. what about the milspec HMMWV seats? there is a fine piece of comfort. did you run out and buy them for your new toyota? chow hall food is milspec too and state side it blows chunks, let alone what you get when your deployed. i don't try to find a place to eat that has that crap "cause it's what the Marines eat". oh, and BCG's are milspec. ever know a guy who got action while wearing them?

    the military has given us lots of great things but that's not to say that the private sector can't do it better. the "hype" that colt is the best thing ever made just don't hold water with me. i'm not trying to say it's junk, i know it's not, it costs too much but it's not junk. i just like to spend my hard earned cash on better products.

    true i will never buy a factory Bushmaster ever again, i can build a much better rifle tuned for MY wants and needs. for most folks Bushy is a great product and holds up well over time.

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    I hate to break this to you but you have no idea what you are talking about. My company purchased 500 carbines for use in theater. As is typical the selection was driven by bean counters and availability. The carbines that we have are crap. It's more than just an occasional this or that. Consistently, all carbines had bolt carrier keys that were not staked or staked like shit. Castle nuts, were not staked and this led to eventual loosening of the lower receiver extensions. The YHM BUIS sights that were made exclusively for BM and sold on the package are garbage and way overpriced. When I needed to get replacements they charged us a premium because their agreement with YHM prevented them from selling to us directly. The extractor spring and inserts were also incorrect.

    When the YHM free-floating rail system was installed they used Loc-tite and overtightened them. Now when I have to remove them I need a heat gun to break them loose. I could go on but there is no need. I have seen enough and worked on enough of them to know that w/o doing additional work and checking them out they aren't reliable.

    Bushmaster continues to sell them because the typical arm chair commando has no clue. They punch paper with them on the weekends and probably have never carried one for serious social purposes.

    As for Noveske, LMT and others they almost always put out a good product and if there is an issue they get on it right away and fix it.

    As for malfunctions- Not only have I seen numerous bolt carrier keys come loose during shooting, but my T/L had a catastrophic failure when his bolt sheared at the cam lug hole during a firefight. So yeah they are crap and anyone who thinks different should come on over and bring his Bushy with him.


    Quote Originally Posted by ArmedSuspect View Post
    to the op, keep the Bushmaster, shoot it and love it.

    sure it may seem like Bushy has "a lot" of defects but let's put this in perspective............

    in 2005 Bushy put out just over 65,000 rifles. the next closest AR manufacturer was DPMS with just under 22,000. from there it spirals down very quickly, making most other AR manufacturers seem like custom shops. now with that level of production how do things stack up? i wonder what the FAIL % rate is at some of these places?

    http://www.shootingindustry.com/Page...4.html#longgun

    Bushmaster is a good company with top quality customer service. sure you may need to re-do the gas key but most of us here shoot more than the average guy (well i do) and he'll never know that it's not done properly so what's the big deal. of all of the Bushy rifles i've sold (gun shop) and own i only know of 1 that has had any malfunction. the sight post was canted, that was a quick and easy fix. we had it back in a week with a NEW barrel. even the highly respected LMT has put out some canted FSB's.

    to me it's kinda like this.....you are not going to take a factory stock truck (insert your brand) and win the Baja 1000. so why do you expect to buy a factory stock rifle and win a 1000yd competition?

    colt = lowest bid with production capability that's all it is! it's a government contract, nothing more. if any other company would have "won" the contract then their rifles would be made to "exact" mil spec. (well the ones for the mil/leo)

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    BTW- most of the things that you are referring to as Milspec are actually not Milspec, nor does the term apply.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArmedSuspect View Post
    i guess that if only milspec will cut it i need to rethink my life. i'll start by sending back my SS barrels because it's not parkerized under the FSB.

    seriously, milspec don't mean all that much. did you think that the milspec jungle boot was the best thing ever? my feet still hurt thinking about them. what about the milspec HMMWV seats? there is a fine piece of comfort. did you run out and buy them for your new toyota? chow hall food is milspec too and state side it blows chunks, let alone what you get when your deployed. i don't try to find a place to eat that has that crap "cause it's what the Marines eat". oh, and BCG's are milspec. ever know a guy who got action while wearing them?

    the military has given us lots of great things but that's not to say that the private sector can't do it better. the "hype" that colt is the best thing ever made just don't hold water with me. i'm not trying to say it's junk, i know it's not, it costs too much but it's not junk. i just like to spend my hard earned cash on better products.

    true i will never buy a factory Bushmaster ever again, i can build a much better rifle tuned for MY wants and needs. for most folks Bushy is a great product and holds up well over time.

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