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    i never said i wanted to walk into combat with a factory Bushy. i never said Bushy puts out a better rifle than colt. Bushmaster sells to the public who, as a general rule, will never need most of the things that we do/did. hell we paid for and used as much of our own shit as we could get away with. if i could have used a Noveske or LaRue i would have. i've seen my share of issue weapons "crash", mostly in the rear (the M249 shit fest is another story). we did what we could and got by with what we had. that sucks that you had issues with Bushy, again not my first choice for a combat weapon either.

    what's a new colt selling for these days? at or near $1200 i believe. if i'm not going to use it for anything other than punching holes in paper i'll spend $800/$900 on a Bushy or some other brand. if it's going to be a service weapon and my life is on the line it's going to be the best that money can buy. that, my friend, is not a colt.

    there are lots of guns i can't stand but very few times will i come out and openly bash a guy for buying one of them. that may be all he can afford. shit, he's buying guns we should be telling him good job. he could be out giving his money to Obama.

    we're all on the same team i just want to drive a ford not the chevy

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    I'd also vote for the Charles Daly D-M4LE, but mainly because that's what I ended up buying. One thing I noticed while sighting the thing in was that it threw the empty shell casings all into a 10 inch circle, not that it means anything. I was just amazed that it so consistently threw the spent shells in the same place. No other gun I have does that. My handguns throw spent shells in about a 10 foot circle.

    Anyway, my advice to go for the D-M4LE is not based on experience. It's based on its feature set and the universally glowing reviews I've seen on it. It looks to me like Charles Daly is trying to buy their market share right now. I expect that their guns will go up in price in the future.

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    I think you missed the whole point of my reply. Let me sum it up briefly.

    1. Bushmasters are crap. They should a real QA/QC and fix the problems that are well known with their guns instead of cutting corners.

    2. Their customer service does suck and have contacted them several times in regards to issues that came about and they really didn't give a crap.

    3. I have never said that Colt is best thing on the planet, but they do build a good product. As a matter of fact none of my carbines are Colt.

    4. Though someone may purchase a carbine or rifle just to "punch paper" you never know when the SHTF and you may be forced to do more.

    5. They knowingly sold weapons to my company as they have with others as well as P.D's, etc.. that were not up to snuff. That shows me that they really don't care about their reputation. I also don't believe that anyone was bashing his purchase of a BM, but rather BM itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArmedSuspect View Post
    i never said i wanted to walk into combat with a factory Bushy. i never said Bushy puts out a better rifle than colt. Bushmaster sells to the public who, as a general rule, will never need most of the things that we do/did. hell we paid for and used as much of our own shit as we could get away with. if i could have used a Noveske or LaRue i would have. i've seen my share of issue weapons "crash", mostly in the rear (the M249 shit fest is another story). we did what we could and got by with what we had. that sucks that you had issues with Bushy, again not my first choice for a combat weapon either.

    what's a new colt selling for these days? at or near $1200 i believe. if i'm not going to use it for anything other than punching holes in paper i'll spend $800/$900 on a Bushy or some other brand. if it's going to be a service weapon and my life is on the line it's going to be the best that money can buy. that, my friend, is not a colt.

    there are lots of guns i can't stand but very few times will i come out and openly bash a guy for buying one of them. that may be all he can afford. shit, he's buying guns we should be telling him good job. he could be out giving his money to Obama.

    we're all on the same team i just want to drive a ford not the chevy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmedSuspect View Post
    is my LaRue upper milspec? what about the LMT i have on backorder? how about the Noveske i plan to pick up before the election? nope, not milspec at all but all of them better than my issue M16 and M4's.
    It is fantastic to go over the mil-standard, but not below. The purpose of the TDP is to establish a baseline that is not to be gone below.

    if a product is junk it'll sink, if not we would be stuck with pinto's. try to make 65,000 anything and not get a few wrong. Colt gets shit wrong too.
    Actually no. Most owners of AR's never shoot them. All guns run 100% sitting in the safe.

    Every manufacturer gets something wrong. What it is about is consistancy and following a standard. Does Colt incorrectly stake each and every gas key and castle nut? No they do not. Does BM? Yes they do.

    what pistol do you shoot? an M9? you think that is the "be all end all" side arm? it's milspec. i can't tell you how many thousands of rounds i've put through M9's and i will never own one. my USP's and glocks are better.

    don't forget this is still America (until november) and we are free to buy what it is that makes each of us happy. i don't hate colt, i just don't buy into the hype.
    The M9 is a dog IMHO, but is apples and oranges to the discussion we are having. There are not 500 clones of the M9 being made by 100 companies (like there are of the AR15).
    Remember, that it is NOT about blindly following a Govt spec, it is about understanding what makes a good, reliable fighting gun. Most people seem to not get this and it baffles me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slater View Post
    In the interest of curiosity (and hopefully not to open a can of worms) what are the most common observed problems with Bushmasters?
    Here is a short list for you:

    1. Canted FSB.
    2. Tight chambers.
    3. Gas keys coming loose.
    4. Castle nuts coming loose.
    5. Bolts breaking


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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmedSuspect View Post
    i guess that if only milspec will cut it i need to rethink my life. i'll start by sending back my SS barrels because it's not parkerized under the FSB.

    seriously, milspec don't mean all that much. did you think that the milspec jungle boot was the best thing ever? my feet still hurt thinking about them. what about the milspec HMMWV seats? there is a fine piece of comfort. did you run out and buy them for your new toyota? chow hall food is milspec too and state side it blows chunks, let alone what you get when your deployed. i don't try to find a place to eat that has that crap "cause it's what the Marines eat". oh, and BCG's are milspec. ever know a guy who got action while wearing them?

    the military has given us lots of great things but that's not to say that the private sector can't do it better. the "hype" that colt is the best thing ever made just don't hold water with me. i'm not trying to say it's junk, i know it's not, it costs too much but it's not junk. i just like to spend my hard earned cash on better products.

    true i will never buy a factory Bushmaster ever again, i can build a much better rifle tuned for MY wants and needs. for most folks Bushy is a great product and holds up well over time.
    I think you lack the understanding of what the TDP does and standards put forward. For some reason, you seem to think that we (or just me) believe that the mil-standard is the end all be all. It isn't. It is just a baseline. The sad thing about it is that VERY few companies come anywhere near this very low set of standards.
    As a general plinker, I think BM, RRA, DPMS, Stag are perfectly fine (as they will get shot very little). This forum though is geared more towards the defensive minded civy that attends a lot of training schools, LE and Military. For them, second best or "as good as" just won't cut it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmedSuspect View Post
    i never said i wanted to walk into combat with a factory Bushy. i never said Bushy puts out a better rifle than colt. Bushmaster sells to the public who, as a general rule, will never need most of the things that we do/did. hell we paid for and used as much of our own shit as we could get away with. if i could have used a Noveske or LaRue i would have. i've seen my share of issue weapons "crash", mostly in the rear (the M249 shit fest is another story). we did what we could and got by with what we had. that sucks that you had issues with Bushy, again not my first choice for a combat weapon either.

    what's a new colt selling for these days? at or near $1200 i believe. if i'm not going to use it for anything other than punching holes in paper i'll spend $800/$900 on a Bushy or some other brand. if it's going to be a service weapon and my life is on the line it's going to be the best that money can buy. that, my friend, is not a colt.

    there are lots of guns i can't stand but very few times will i come out and openly bash a guy for buying one of them. that may be all he can afford. shit, he's buying guns we should be telling him good job. he could be out giving his money to Obama.

    we're all on the same team i just want to drive a ford not the chevy
    I would suggest that you do a little more digging and understand the differences between AR's. It is not a Ford VS Chevy thing as they are not equals. It is more a Porsche 911 VS Ford Pinto.

    I also do not buy into the "it is just for plinking so who cares." Deep down everyone that buys this type of weapon has in their back of mind the thought of using it to defends what matters most to them. If all they intended to do with their gun is punch paper, why not just buy a bolt gun? They are cheaper and will be more accurate.

    The other mistake that most new AR's buyers make is the belief that high quality AR's are way out of their price range. Reality is that you can buy an LMT upper, lower, bcg, ch and hg's for under $1k! Most BM's, RRA, etc generally hand out in the $850-$950 range. So why not spend the extra $50-$100 and get a far superior weapon???



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    If you're limited to the budget constraint that would lead you to a Bushmaster, there are much better options, from building to buying another manufacturer's complete rifle, for the same price or just slightly higher.

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    I bought a Bushmaster plain-Jane A2 HBAR recently as a general-purpose paper-puncher/range practice weapon. That was before I had thoroughly digested all the information on this site.

    I haven't had the chance to shoot it yet (or even do a field strip/cleaning), but from reading the pointers contained on site it would seem prudent to insure that all the necessary staking has been properly executed. And replacement of certain critical parts (BCG, etc) should be considered, in the long term at least.

    I realize that this site is aimed more toward the carbine user, but presumably the information would be applicable to rifle-length weapons also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slater View Post
    I bought a Bushmaster plain-Jane A2 HBAR recently as a general-purpose paper-puncher/range practice weapon. That was before I had thoroughly digested all the information on this site.

    I haven't had the chance to shoot it yet (or even do a field strip/cleaning), but from reading the pointers contained on site it would seem prudent to insure that all the necessary staking has been properly executed. And replacement of certain critical parts (BCG, etc) should be considered, in the long term at least.

    I realize that this site is aimed more toward the carbine user, but presumably the information would be applicable to rifle-length weapons also.
    If your BM was mine, I would get the gas key staked for certain and then just buy a second bolt (as these break on all weapons). Other than that, just go out and punch some holes.


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