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    Roughly 15 years ago our agency purchased a few hundred Class 3 Bushmasters with short barrels for SWAT. I was told that the supplier "went through" the carbines before they were delivered. About 5 years after they were purchased I spoke with one of the personnel who had one assigned to him. He told me he had not had any issues with his carbine or was aware of anyone else who had problems. His carbine had over 20,000 rounds at the time of the conversation. He was a team armorer who performed routine inspections and maintenance. He said that gas rings and other consumable parts had decent service life before replacement.

    At some point Bushmaster may have used durable parts in the manufacture of LEO contract carbines. My experience with carbines purchased at gun shops or box stores was not as good as the department had with the contract weapons.
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    Bushmaster- better 15 years ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Anderson View Post
    If the last statement about Walmart holds any truth... I wouldnt know. I never did more than eyeball the Colts in the case.
    Reminds of something I heard about Walmart though. I know he said she said is frowned upon here but this is more about Walmart than an AR so I hope I can get a pass for it!

    In a nutshell, Walmart basically tells a manufacturer that 'we will pay you THIS much but will take a lot of them. Way I understood it was it didnt matter what the manufacturer would charge, Walmart dictated the terms or no sale.

    Would be interesting to see if the statement about Walmart Colts looking like crap is valid.

    Of course, I dont know if M4Eagle was saying ALL Colts, currently, or just Walmarts. The phrasing leads me to think the latter.
    Yes Mr. Anderson,
    Colt produces n ships some top of the line ARs. But you won't find Rolexs at Walmart n Colts heavy distribution there reeks of cost cutting which I checked out and witnessed for myself.
    A quality high end producer shipping in mass to Wallyworld a product such as an M4 6920 does raise questions as to market strategy, quality, cost cutting etc. but I understand that Colt still can n does produce world class ARs... While also producing something far less eg. The Walmart shelves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by M4Eagle View Post
    Yes Mr. Anderson,
    Colt produces n ships some top of the line ARs. But you won't find Rolexs at Walmart n Colts heavy distribution there reeks of cost cutting which I checked out and witnessed for myself.
    A quality high end producer shipping in mass to Wallyworld a product such as an M4 6920 does raise questions as to market strategy, quality, cost cutting etc. but I understand that Colt still can n does produce world class ARs... While also producing something far less eg. The Walmart shelves.


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    I have heard no complaints about the 6920 purchased at Walmart or otherwise, and has far as I know, the 6920 is the same regardless of where sold, and use all standard Colt parts use in other ARs they sell. The 6920 is not a tricked out AR to be sure, but an excellent base gun for building on if the person so chooses, or leaving stock. I can't speak to QC suffering due to volume, but the 6920 for the $$$, seems well regarded by the more knowledgeable AR members here and often recommended.
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    While the "walmart" thing may be true for many manufactures due to demand, I don't think it affects colt much being a mil supplier. They produce carbines at a price point much lower than what we see for the mil, and walmart buy price is probably closer to that due to volume. If they provide quality for mil orders, they can manage walmart volume, I would guess.

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    Personally, I'm inclined to agree with you two gents.

    AFAIK, the "comparison" has not been done(?). I'd still be interested in seeing it. If for nothing else but to cross out that notion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M4Eagle View Post
    Yes Mr. Anderson,
    Colt produces n ships some top of the line ARs. But you won't find Rolexs at Walmart n Colts heavy distribution there reeks of cost cutting which I checked out and witnessed for myself.
    A quality high end producer shipping in mass to Wallyworld a product such as an M4 6920 does raise questions as to market strategy, quality, cost cutting etc. but I understand that Colt still can n does produce world class ARs... While also producing something far less eg. The Walmart shelves.


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    In many cases, the Colts sold at Wal-Mart are more expensive than ones you can find on the internet, so I question your allegations of "cost cutting." The cheapest Colt I have seen at Wal-Mart was a 6920MP (Magpul edition) that was being sold for $845 due to an inventory purge. The rifle was beautiful... one of the nicest Colts I've seen.

    There have been numerous times over the past few months where you could buy 6720s over the internet for $800 (G&R Tactical has them right now, and he's a seller with a very high reputation around here).

    So, I dunno where you get this idea that there is cost cutting going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegademiC View Post
    They produce carbines at a price point much lower than what we see for the mil, and walmart buy price is probably closer to that due to volume.
    It's been a while, but I think my last unit property book listed the value of an M4 as somewhere around $600, FWIW.

    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    In many cases, the Colts sold at Wal-Mart are more expensive than ones you can find on the internet, so I question your allegations of "cost cutting."
    There seems to be a compulsion among many people on this forum to read too much into things, rather than looking at the simpler, more obvious explanation. I would suspect that Colt's lower prices in recent years have been partly a result of the volume of sales they are doing to the civilian market through Walmart. Any time items are produced in larger numbers, the manufacturer can save money by purchasing supplies and making components in larger volume. I wouldn't be surprised if Walmart accounts for half of Colt's civilian sales.

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    Lol colt produces guns for the DOD.... Pretty sure they can fill a wholesale order just fine without throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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    You have no idea what you are talking about. Now let's focus back on the Bushmaster.


    Quote Originally Posted by M4Eagle View Post
    Yes Mr. Anderson,
    Colt produces n ships some top of the line ARs. But you won't find Rolexs at Walmart n Colts heavy distribution there reeks of cost cutting which I checked out and witnessed for myself.
    A quality high end producer shipping in mass to Wallyworld a product such as an M4 6920 does raise questions as to market strategy, quality, cost cutting etc. but I understand that Colt still can n does produce world class ARs... While also producing something far less eg. The Walmart shelves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    You have no idea what you are talking about. Now let's focus back on the Bushmaster.
    Which I think you put to bed on page 1 LOL


    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Bushmaster was never good. They used BS marketing and we were able to fill a niche that Colt couldn't or wouldn't. Their specs are all over the place and for everyone that works good, 3-4 don't run well.

    The also counted on the fact that the average dude shoots a few hundred rounds per year. The 3% were inconsequential to them.
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