I plan on engraving my last name w/ Trust. Do I need to engrave my Town and state also.
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I plan on engraving my last name w/ Trust. Do I need to engrave my Town and state also.
ATF 5300.4 in 27 CFR 479.102 (page 92) describes what is necessary to engrave on a SBR or SBS when one is manufacturing. This is not necessary if you purchase one that is already manufactured as it will have been done for you.
1) On the Frame or Receiver the Serial number;
2) on the frame, receiver, or barrel the following additional information;
A)The model;
B)The caliber or gage;
C)Your name or name of the Trust in the case of a Trust (no abbreviations are permitted for the Trust name);
D)The city and state (you can abbreviate the state with the official 2 digit state code)
The above mentioned information must be engraved, casted, stamped (impressing) or otherwise conspicuously placed or caused to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size of the Serial number shall be no smaller than 1/16 inch.
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That's going to be hard to accomplish, the guy who did my engraving wasn't able to do it under the trigger guard (AX556 With integrated trigger guard). He ended up doing it right below the safety and I haven't noticed the engraving since and I'm very happy with how it came out. You may want to check with the engraver you wish to go with to see if under the trigger guard is even an option.
Ident did mine in that location also after another well-known shop said it couldn't be done. Ident will get all of my business.
Ident has done all of mine, all in the trigger guard. Very nice work.
It's easy to overthink the engraving, but you really should read about the NFA requirements for SBRs. The actual engraving that you do is spelled out, no abbreviations, etc, but those concepts vary from examiner to examiner and from Interim NFA chief to chief. The from a practical standpoint, the ONLY way that the NFA would ever know if the engraving meets current NFA opinion is in the extraordinarily unlikely event that you would encounter an ATF agent out on patrol (laughably unlikely), he would actually recognize that your rifle is an SBR, and want to inspect it. My knowledge of the ATF suggests that your average ATF field agent is utterly clueless about what the NFA actually requires.
In the several NFA applications that Ive done, I always try to adhere to the law as I interpret the NFA (from the NFA handbook), but I absolutely don't sweat the details. I am confident that given my circumstances, once I get the stamp that's the last that I'll ever hear from the ATF until the next application.
I've never heard of it. Last year we did some Bomb Squad demo for ATF (ammo). ATF sent an agent along. When we do Bomb Squad exercises, we always take the opportunity to shoot since it's a military facility and we demo on the artillery range which is also cleared for small arms use. In fact, we demo a lot of the stuff by shooting at it, like expired/leaking dynamite, old TNT bricks, damaged aerial display shells, so he enjoyed the shooting. In casual conversation, I was kind of amazed at a) how little knowledge and b) how little interest he had in NFA in general and c) how little interest in my SBR (privately owned) in particular.
Now, here in Minnesota, registration of SBRs with NFA is not part of the legislation...as far as the state is concerned, they don't have to be stamped (some states reqruie this). So even local cops, who are likely to be even MORE ignorant of NFA, have no interest in SBRs, and even if they could recognize it as such or knew what an SBR was, would be highly unlikely to inspect, or even give a crap, since there is no applicable state law. For them to address my SBR legality would require them to try to be enforcing Federal law. Rare to see a cop that has any interest in that for something that has so little impact. I suspect that that might be different it it was a rocket launcher or machine gun.
Bottom line, from a practical standpoint, it's highly unlikely that anyone ever will be inspecting your SBR for NFA compliance.
Last edited by Hmac; 05-10-15 at 14:11.
Considering how few full-auto NFA weapons, how few legal SBR's and SBS's are used in the commission of a crime, it it really that surprising that there's not much interest?
It's like expecting the Highway Patrol to be all excited at watching a tractor pull when so few tractors are ever pulled over for speeding on the interstate.
Tar Heel State Firearms can do under the trigger guard, even without it being removed (or if it was one-piece). $30 and usually <48 hour turnaround. Last one I had done there was stripped, but turned out great:
Just to note...the city, state you engrave is the physical location where you, as a maker, made the firearm. No requirement for it to match your form, drivers license, etc. That's different than with a manufacturer, where they must engrave the location where they do business. Granted, in most cases people make them at home...just pointing out it's not a requirement.
Last edited by BigWaylon; 05-10-15 at 14:46.
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