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    AMTRAK Wreck - General Information

    Did not know if anyone had seen this - the engineer is reportedly cooperating - gave them blood and his cell phone, talking to police - but has no recollection of the moments before the crash. Probably a lot of us have suffered concussions and are familiar with the associated memory loss, in my own case I really never lost consciousness, but have no recollection of the incident or the 18-24 hours following. From the doctors' and nurses' accounts I was very entertaining and personable, which isn't the norm.

    I wonder if we'll ever know? In my case I bent over on a roof, apparently got a 'blood rush' and fainted. My son said I just fell down and slid.

    Edited to add: I'm not a railroader, but in my job I've spent some time around the regional railroad training center doing training for railroad police officers. Their locomotive/train simulators are freaking awesome in their realism. Based on those experiences and the engineers that I know, they are a serious-minded bunch in the cab of the locomotive.

    Amtrak Engineer 'Very Distraught,' Doesn't Remember Crash, Attorney Says

    By DAVID KERLEY, CLEOPATRA GEORGHIOU and MICHAEL S. JAMES

    The engineer of the Amtrak train that crashed in Philadelphia "has absolutely no recollection of the incident or anything unusual" and "no explanation" for what caused the crash, his attorney told ABC News.

    The engineer, Brandon Bostian, 32, of Queens, New York, was “very distraught” to learn that the crash killed at least seven people, the attorney, Robert Goggin, told ABC News. He added that Bostian voluntarily turned over a blood sample and his cell phone and is cooperating with authorities.

    “I asked him if he had any medical issues,” Goggin said. “He said he had none. He's on no medications ... He has no health issues to speak of and just has no explanation.”

    Goggin noted Bostian suffered injuries in the crash, including a concussion and injuries to his legs that required treatment at a hospital.

    “He remembers driving the train,” Goggin said. “He remembers going to that area generally, [but] has absolutely no recollection of the incident or anything unusual. He recalls -- the next thing he recalls is being thrown around, coming to, finding his bag, getting his cell phone and dialing 911.”

    Later, however, Bostian learned the details.

    “The television was on in the police district, and the constant count and recounting of the incident was being broadcast in his face all morning, and he was distraught,” Goggin said.

    Though Bostian retained an attorney, Goggin said, he has not stopped cooperating with police, and was willing to speak to National Transportation Safety Board investigators, as well.

    An NTSB board member said an initial review of the train's data recorder shows that the train was going 106 mph three seconds before the recording ended, when the engineer pressed the full emergency brake application. The train was going 102 mph at the end of the recording. There is a 50 mph limit at the curve where the train derailed and a 70 mph limit for regional trains in the area preceding the curve, so the reason why the train was going so fast will be one of the biggest questions facing investigators.

    Goggin said Bostian does not remember setting the emergency brake.

    "He said he was pulling into speed-restricted track," Goggin said. "It was on speed-restricted track, and the next thing he recalls is waking up and looking for his cell phone."

    Goggin said his client spent a great deal of time with police before he arrived.

    “He was at the disposal of the police for six hours before I -- or five hours -- before I got on scene,” Goggin said.

    “Among other things, they indicated that they wanted to get a search warrant for his blood, which we consented to,” Goggin added. “He said, ‘You don't need a search warrant, happy to give it to you.’ It had already been drawn at Einstein Hospital. They asked for his cell phone, which they had. [We] said, ‘Have it. Take all the information you want. You don't need a search warrant for that either. We'll give it to you.’ I'm assuming [authorities asked for the phone] because they want to see whether he was on the telephone at the time of the accident. So he's cooperated, and not only that, he's indicated that he would make himself available to the police if they need any more information.”

    Goggin described his client’s physical condition as "pretty beat up." Besides a concussion, he said, “He's got 14 staples in his head, several stitches in his leg. He has one leg, the other leg immobilized with a knee problem. What he looked was exhausted.”

    Even so, Goggin said, Bostian shares the same concerns as other interested parties.

    “The main concern is just the overwhelming tragedy, the loss of life, the injuries to so many people,” Goggin said. “That's really the concern right now. That's his concern, that's the union’s concern, I'm certain [it’s] Amtrak’s concern. It's a tragedy on all fronts.”

    According to his LinkedIn profile, Bostian has worked at Amtrak for nearly nine years, the first half of which he spent as a passenger conductor before he became a passenger engineer in December 2010.

    https://gma.yahoo.com/amtrak-enginee...opstories.html
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    That train was moving. 106mph on a 50 mph curve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Vaquero View Post
    That train was moving. 106mph on a 50 mph curve.

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    I don't know how fast Amtrak trains can accelerate, but would that train not have been scooting along at a fairly good pace for quite some distance to have gotten up to 106mph?

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    Good movie. Always a good job from DW.

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    This is a good example of what happens when you have only one person in the locomotive cab. The RR I work for has a few single man jobs on my division for helper service (locomotives stationed at the bottom of hills to shove trains over), and those one man engineer only crews seem to have more problems than average. The RR just quietly sweeps that shit under the rug, and pretends like everything is just great with their money saving idea to eliminate a job.

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    I see he is going with the Brady Defense.
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    He's going to have Tom Brady defend him? That should go well....

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    Wondering if this was an attempt at suicide?
    How do you explain going 2 X the speed for that curve?

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    Depends on the timetable speed of the rest of the subdivision he was operating on, and the lovations of any other permanent or temporary speed restrictions. Heading into that curve if timetable speed allows for 100+ mph gives very little time to slow down if you nod off (it happens) or aren't paying attention. There's a good chance he blew some other slow orders on the way into that curve. As to why, that remains to be seen. When you're covering 1 mile every 40 seconds or so, it's easy to get in trouble if you're running a train like it's a damn sports car. Speed restrictions are only marked 2 miles in advance, at those speeds there's no way in hell I'm running on the flags, I'm slowing down well before that to give greater margin for error even on a light passenger train.

    My guess is this is a bad case of operator error. Knowing how most RR's treat their train, yard, and engine service employee's fatigue may have been an issue here. With no one but himself in the cab nodding off is sadly a reality of the job. There is an alerter in the cab to make annoying sounds every 60 seconds if no control inputs are made. At 100 MPH you're covering over 1.5 miles between alerter activations, that don't really keep you awake if you're dog ass tired. Heaven forbid the RR's retained a fireman (junior engineer) to spell a tired engineer, keep each other awake, and of course speak up or take action when the train is going to be out of control.

    I know all the talking heads keep harping about PTC, but so far that technology is not exactly super refined. It does some wacky shit if it gets confused, usually stopping the train for no reason with an emergency brake application. Lot's of fun, and why most PTC computers get shut off when equipped.

    Oh well, what the hell do I know? I only do this shit for a living.

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