Rand Paul filibusters the Patriot act renewal right now on CSPAN2...

[THCDDM4]

You can tune in on TV or go to the live feed here:
http://www.c-span.org/networks/?channel=c-span-2

[skijunkie55]

Isn't the Senate supposed to be working today??? Why is the chamber empty?

[brickboy240]

Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are really our only hopes in this go-round.

The others are either establishment darlings or other forms of losers.

Too bad the RNC biggies don't like either Paul or Cruz - nobody else stands a ghost of a chance of taking down Hill Dog! LOL

[SteyrAUG]

Excellent battle to pick.

[jpmuscle]

Excellent battle to pick.

Sarcasm?

[SteyrAUG]

Sarcasm?

Actually serious.

Dems hate the Patriot Act because it was Bush legislation and aimed at poor muslims. In reality we don't need the damn thing. So long as we don't bring terrorists back to US soil to try them, they really don't have the rights of a US citizen anyway so we don't need the Patriot Act work around rights they don't have.

If somebody is here illegally, they also don't have the rights of the US citizen so again no need for the Patriot Act.

And finally if they are a US citizen AND a terrorist then we don't circumvent their rights, we realize that they have them and conduct any investigation and prosecution accordingly.

This is the only kind of action that appeal to the left in any meaningful way. Won't stop 95% of them from voting for Hillary anyway, but it will still have some broad appeal. Be nice if he got in with the Patriot Act and then took out Obamacare while in office.

[jpmuscle]

Agreed on all points. Just wasn't sure on your post.

[Big A]

Actually serious.

Dems hate the Patriot Act because it was Bush legislation and aimed at poor muslims. In reality we don't need the damn thing. So long as we don't bring terrorists back to US soil to try them, they really don't have the rights of a US citizen anyway so we don't need the Patriot Act work around rights they don't have.

If somebody is here illegally, they also don't have the rights of the US citizen so again no need for the Patriot Act.

And finally if they are a US citizen AND a terrorist then we don't circumvent their rights, we realize that they have them and conduct any investigation and prosecution accordingly.

This is the only kind of action that appeal to the left in any meaningful way. Won't stop 95% of them from voting for Hillary anyway, but it will still have some broad appeal. Be nice if he got in with the Patriot Act and then took out Obamacare while in office.

To this point, the courts have a different opinion:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rights...egalrights.htm

Also thought you might find this interesting:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...ndment-rights/

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If somebody is here illegally, they also don't have the rights of the US citizen so again no need for the Patriot Act.

To this point, the courts have a different opinion:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rights...egalrights.htm

Also thought you might find this interesting:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...ndment-rights/

42 USC Section 1983 - Every person who under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, Suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer's judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable. For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.

[TAZ]

Actually serious.

Dems hate the Patriot Act because it was Bush legislation and aimed at poor muslims. In reality we don't need the damn thing. So long as we don't bring terrorists back to US soil to try them, they really don't have the rights of a US citizen anyway so we don't need the Patriot Act work around rights they don't have.

If somebody is here illegally, they also don't have the rights of the US citizen so again no need for the Patriot Act.

And finally if they are a US citizen AND a terrorist then we don't circumvent their rights, we realize that they have them and conduct any investigation and prosecution accordingly.

This is the only kind of action that appeal to the left in any meaningful way. Won't stop 95% of them from voting for Hillary anyway, but it will still have some broad appeal. Be nice if he got in with the Patriot Act and then took out Obamacare while in office.

Agree. The Patriot Act is nothing more than another step in the erosion of our rights. As much as I hate to admit that even active terrorists caught in the USA have rights; I am 100% against giving the government a means by which they can suspend the rights of anyone they deem a terrorist. Having grown up in a system that allowed for this kind of latitude for government lackeys, I am speaking from first hand experience that the whims of a million government beurocrats are far more dangerous than the bombs and guns of a handful of potential terrorists.