Rand Paul filibusters the Patriot act renewal right now on CSPAN2...

[SteyrAUG]

To this point, the courts have a different opinion:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rights...egalrights.htm

Also thought you might find this interesting:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...ndment-rights/

The courts have also ruled the Eminent Domain can be used for "private use." The courts have made some very unconstitutional rulings.

[Big A]

If somebody is here illegally, they also don't have the rights of the US citizen so again no need for the Patriot Act.



42 USC Section 1983 - Every person who under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, Suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer's judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable. For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.

A) I never said anything about the patriot act, but I agree, we do not need it and that it needs to be eliminated in its entirety.

And

B) from the first link in my post:

In rejecting the argument that the "equal" protections of the 14th Amendment are limited to U.S. citizens, the Supreme Court has referred to language used by the Congressional Committee that drafted the amendment:

"The last two clauses of the first section of the amendment disable a State from depriving not merely a citizen of the United States, but any person, whoever he may be, of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, or from denying to him the equal protection of the laws of the State. This abolishes all class legislation in the States and does away with the injustice of subjecting one caste of persons to a code not applicable to another. . . . It [the 14th Amendment] will, if adopted by the States, forever disable every one of them from passing laws trenching upon those fundamental rights and privileges which pertain to citizens of the United States, and to all persons who may happen to be within their jurisdiction."

While illegal aliens do not enjoy all of the rights granted to citizens by the Constitution, specifically the rights to vote or possess firearms, these rights can also be denied to U.S. citizens convicted of felonies. In final analysis, the courts have ruled that, while they are within the borders of the United States, illegal aliens are granted the same fundamental, undeniable constitutional rights granted to all Americans.

So again the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that they do have the same rights, or rather protections, as U.S. citizens with the exception of the 2A and the 15A.

[hatidua]

Oh, how I wish he stood a chance...

[Big A]

The courts have also ruled the Eminent Domain can be used for "private use." The courts have made some very unconstitutional rulings.

I agree that there are some seriously unconstitutional rulings handed down by the courts, however I do not agree that denying someone, regardless of citizenship status, within the borders of the U.S. and it's territories the protections afforded by the Constitution as one of them.

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

I believe the constitution disagrees with the assertion that illegals are not afforded due process and equal protection under the law, namely the 14th amendment....

[ScottsBad]

Ted Cruz is on now. Talking about the ability of the NSA to keep track of you by tracking your phone during a call using the GPS info in the Meta data. I've got to say that I prefer that the Government find other ways of finding terrorists than keeping records on every American. A wise man once said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Ben Franklin

Nothing against those who are trying so hard to keep us safe, but I do not trust the Government with the power to track and profile each citizen even if they promise not to use it unconstitutionally. Our current Government lies daily, how can we trust them with the power they are gaining?

[26 Inf]

I believe the constitution disagrees with your assertion, namely the 14th amendment....

Didn't post that, it was in italics from another member's early post.

The Patriot Act was/is IMO a rape of our rights.

It needs to go away. IMO AG Gonzalez was a bigger menace than AG Holder.

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

Didn't post that, it was in italics from another member's early post.

The Patriot Act was/is IMO a rape of our rights.

It needs to go away. IMO AG Gonzalez was a bigger menace than AG Holder.

Copy. Post edited and I agree with your sentiments here.

[SteyrAUG]

I agree that there are some seriously unconstitutional rulings handed down by the courts, however I do not agree that denying someone, regardless of citizenship status, within the borders of the U.S. and it's territories the protections afforded by the Constitution as one of them.

So you believe a member of Al Quida brought to the US to stand charges has the right petition government for redress of grievances? The right to bear arms? Protection against warrantless searches and seizures? Trial by an impartial jury? Freedom from excessive bail?

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

So you believe a member of Al Quida brought to the US to stand charges has the right petition government for redress of grievances? The right to bear arms? Protection against warrantless searches and seizures? Trial by an impartial jury? Freedom from excessive bail?

Yes. I do. Equal protection for all within our borders. It's one of things that makes us stand out as a beacon of liberty in the world.

I also believe in the rule of law. The law says certain liberties can be restricted for legitimate governmental interests. In their case, the full law should apply.

I do not believe we should be bringing them here though. Quick military tribunals ans swift executions for those aiding, abetting, and participating in terror against the US should be the name of the game.