editing, lots of opinions here, I'm trying to decipher the facts.
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editing, lots of opinions here, I'm trying to decipher the facts.
Last edited by albatrossarmament; 06-04-15 at 11:53.
When you reference lowers being marked .223, but chambered in 5.56, the state as long as a caliber is marked you are GTG - that's the logic I'm getting at.
Since when has MULTI on the side of the receiver not been an acceptable standard that requires additional engraving?
Multi for all intents and purposes is a "caliber" according to ATF.
Form 4473 for stripped lowers are marked multi, along with complete lower receivers in both rifle/pistol configuration.
Not trying to create an argument here, there just seems to be a large amount of misinformation in these threads and I'd like to decipher what's what.
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To add to the confusion...ATF used to accept Multi on Form 1 applications, but they don't anymore. You have to list the one caliber you plan on initially making.
ATF Ruling 2013-3 has a decent description of how to adopt the existing markings. It does include this bit of info:
5. If the caliber or gauge was not identified or designated (e.g., marked “multi”) on the firearm, the manufacturer, importer, or maker must legibly and conspicuously mark the frame, receiver, barrel, or pistol slide (if applicable) with the actual caliber/gauge once the caliber or gauge is known.
Except, I do not think the BATF is approving Form 1's marked Multi
Seems a lot of trouble would be saved using a marked barrel.
Outside of a blank you would think all barrels would have to be marked just for the liability/safety issues it could create.
Old and antique firearms excluded.
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The part where I posted at the same time you did. I was actually replying to Graham.
The problem with the marked barrel consensus is that the ATF says that it had to be easily visible and not covered up by a handguard. If using a carbine length upper with FSB you wouldn't have an issue Bc most markings are up close to the muzzle, but if doing a full flat top extended rail, it will cover up the markings requiring you to mark the lower. Just my opinion from all the many pages I've read online on arfcom and NFA sites and ATF, I would play on the safe side and make sure you have the original length upper on hand. Regarding the caliber engraving, I honestly don't thing the ATF would throw more than a hissy fit telling you to have it marked immediately. Bc IMHO, an sbr is an sbr and is registered so the caliber and length after the original build shouldn't even mattered. You've already gone through the trouble of doing what is required of the draconian laws and gotten fingerprinted, passport pics, registration, and the background check and done everything they've asked of you the the rest of it shouldn't even matter. My biggest concern is with the OAL they ask. How in the hell do they expect us to do that accurately without guessing (if it's a build and not a factory purchase) Bc we're not allowed to have the upper on hand to assemble in rifle form and with all of the varying stocks and receiver extensions that will slightly change the length. All that they should even ask for on the form is barrel length.
The sbr and silencer/suppressor part of the NFA should be completely removed from the purview or at the very least update the forms to remove a few things. Bc I understand that when the GCA of 1968 came about there wasn't the options in upgrades and accessories as there is today. You had a fixed stock and that's about it. If you were doing sbr, you just subtracted the inches from factory 16 or 20 inch barrel. I don't know of any guns way back when that weren't fixed or folding to fixed
Those are rules for when it is MFG'd. Once it gets into the hands of the end-user, he is free to cover it up. The SN on all my MP5s is completely blocked by the scope mount. No violation. The SN on my 870 is completely block by my SideSaddle. No violation. SN on my Glock is completely blocked by WL. No violation. etc.
Last edited by Renegade; 06-05-15 at 13:04.
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