NJ restraining order faill

[HD1911]

Kinda strange, I thought our Consititution said Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms Shall NOT be Infringed... she shouldn't have needed a Permit in the first place.

Disgusting.

[Averageman]

As usual, I have a little different take on this situation. Perhaps it is because I took time to actually read the entire article.

Thus, her pattern of poor decision making in choosing her companions and state of residence are far more proximal causes of her demise than NJ's ridiculous gun laws.

But they love those "Bad Boys".

[Eurodriver]

Sensei makes an excellent point, as usual.

With that said, she appeared to finally be finished with this guy and what happened to her is still a travesty. A shining example of how the state cannot and will not protect you.

[Alex V]

What we (people in NJ) should do is take a note out of the Liberal playbook and lot let a good tragedy go to waste.

The woman's family should sue the **** out of the State and Chris Christy for her death. It's a direct cause of the Justifiable Need law. NJ law makers have blood on their hands and should be all marched into the middle or Trenton and Tar and Feathered. All Christy has to do is tell his AG to change the administrative code to say that Self Defence qualifies as Justifiable Need and we can all get CCWs. But he won't cause he is an anti gun fat douch bag and his future replacement will be MUCH worse.

[Jer]

Kinda strange, I thought our Consititution said Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms Shall NOT be Infringed... she shouldn't have needed a Permit in the first place.

Disgusting.

While I think women should be less naive in their decisions (speaking from personal experience as I'm the product of a single mother who had an uncanny knack for finding the biggest dirt bags in our little town until I got big enough to put them in their place... but many years of mental and physical abuse before I blossomed into my now full figure of 280lbs) this post pretty much sums up what involvement the government should have (or not have) in the situation.

[Sensei]

Sensei makes an excellent point, as usual.

With that said, she appeared to finally be finished with this guy and what happened to her is still a travesty. A shining example of how the state cannot and will not protect you.

Another reason why I'm a bit reluctant to throw my weight behind the deceased is because my experience with violent felons has taught me that their (ex)girlfriends tend NOT to be shining pillars of society. In fact, the mates of violent sociopaths tend to be borderline, pill popp'en, nut cases. Has anyone vetted this lady yet? Could it be that there was a reason for the delay? These are the question that I like to have answered before I go wrapping myself in righteous indignation over NJ's treatment of 2nd Amendment Rights.

[MountainRaven]

Another reason why I'm a bit reluctant to throw my weight behind the deceased is because my experience with violent felons has taught me that their (ex)girlfriends tend NOT to be shining pillars of society. In fact, the mates of violent sociopaths tend to be borderline, pill popp'en, nut cases. Has anyone vetted this lady yet? Could it be that there was a reason for the delay? These are the question that I like to have answered before I go wrapping myself in righteous indignation over NJ's treatment of 2nd Amendment Rights.

Because needing a permit to own a handgun in New Jersey isn't enough of a reason to be wrapped up in righteous indignation over New Jersey's treatment of the Second Amendment?

Hey, if somebody gets killed by a cartel in Mexico, is it their fault because they live in Mexico, too?

ETA: Mexico is having elections this year - and so far 18 people have been killed this year, 6 of them candidates for office and the remainder campaign workers. But I guess they should have remembered they were in Mexico before they were so stupid as to get killed.

[Sensei]

Because needing a permit to own a handgun in New Jersey isn't enough of a reason to be wrapped up in righteous indignation over New Jersey's treatment of the Second Amendment?

Hey, if somebody gets killed by a cartel in Mexico, is it their fault because they live in Mexico, too?

ETA: Mexico is having elections this year - and so far 18 people have been killed this year, 6 of them candidates for office and the remainder campaign workers. But I guess they should have remembered they were in Mexico before they were so stupid as to get killed.

I think that we can all agree that NJ is retarded. The question at hand is do we have enough information about the deceased to use this incident as a case study.

[Jer]

I think that we can all agree that NJ is retarded. The question at hand is do we have enough information about the deceased to use this incident as a case study.

Well we can't interview her now can we? I believe that's the point he was trying to make. At some point even sociopaths deserve the god given right to protect themselves from other sociopaths they know mean to do them harm.

[WillBrink]

Sensei makes an excellent point, as usual.

With that said, she appeared to finally be finished with this guy and what happened to her is still a travesty. A shining example of how the state cannot and will not protect you.

I think his comments should be taken into account for sure, but with the facts we currently have, I'll give the woman the benefit of the doubt before I'll give it to those in NJ deciding if she was worthy of a CCW. If something about the victim comes to light that might justify the delay, then that changes the equation. But I'll go on NJ past history as my guide at this time. You're mileage may vary.