davidjinks - I'm the first one in line to tell the 'I'm going home and the end of every shift, no matter what' bunch that the job they chose is not one that is conducive to that mindset and that maybe they should consider working in a nursery (trees and plants) if they want that security.Originally Posted by davidjinks
However, I'm also fairly pragmatic, live is full of choices, and officers are entitled to a reasonable expectation of safety in the performance of their duties - if you want I can show you the court cases. IF you had read my post with any degree of understanding you might have discerned that I said 'after negotiating until it is apparent he isn't coming out.' As I said, life is full of choices, if you insert CS into the residence, he has the choice to stay or leave, hopefully spurred by the effects of the CS he will leave. If he chooses to stay and the residence catches fire, hopefully that will drive him out, if he decides to stay, he has chosen his path.
In terms of Burning someone alive because you can't nut up and do the job you volunteered to do... in the example we are talking about, there was an armed man in the house, no hostages, no uninvolved innocents. As I said, I would have locked down the place and talked to the guy until I was convinced I wasn't going to be able to get him out. When that conclusion was reached I would do everything in my power to resolve the situation without having to send a team into the residence. As I said, why risk life to prevent property damage?
In terms of 'nutting up and doing the job you volunteered to do' we train and expect today's officers to go unwaveringly into active shooter situations with little or no backup when innocent lives are being threatened, TAC teams train for the same evolution in hostage rescue. Nutting up and entering to prevent someone's '1,600sf, SL, 4br, 2.5bth, AG, POOL, $250,000' is fracking stupid.
Almost 10 years ago , a guy named Scott Cheever shot one of my good friends in the face killing him. After killing Sheriff Matt Samuels, Cheever stayed in the house in which the killing had taken place, shooting at officers as they tried to render aid to Matt and remove him from the scene. The other 4 occupants of the residence left the residence and were arrested. Knowing that Cheever was still in the house, in my view, it was sheer lack of tactical acumen that caused a tac team to attempt entry to arrest Cheever. He was arrested after their shield men took numerous rounds on their shields. You really think that is what cops sign on to do, put the felon and the structure he is in before them and their families well-being?
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