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    Burris XTR 1-4x24 opinions???

    I finally got my dream rifle, one I've been wanting since it was released... S&W M&P15-T. Right now, there's a huge 4-16x44 SF IR scope on it that I am using for load development - but I am saving for a more personalized optic.
    At first, I was all ACOG, I figured that there just wasn't any other choice... until I seen the offerings and reticles... there's none I really like! I love the plain "origional" ACOG, the TA01 - which I believe is what I used in the Army, it's been a few years... But, it comes with a M16 carry handle mount, which I don't have... and I don't want to have an adapter to use it on my flat top - even if it were free, that's just something else to lose your zero. All the other ACOG's I've found that I like are just too much (I can't spend more than 1K).
    I found the Burris XTR 1-4x24 30mm tube scope. There's 2 versions, the scope only package ($599), and the other package which contains the scope, 30mm rings, and the FastFire holosight mounted on top of the scope ($749). I'll probably get the FastFire version.
    The biggest thing that caught my eye on this scope is the reticle. I LOVE the reticle, it's EXACTLY what I had in mind. It's called the Ballistic XTR 5.56 reticle or something - which looks sort of like an illuminated mil-dot, but not as big for CQB. This is also a "true" 1x scope, so you can use it with both eyes open, and then if a target pops up 300-400 yds. away, just crank it up to 4x.
    Do any of you have an experience with this scope? Opinions??
    Anyone have a recommendation for a better choice? I need something with 4X of magnifications, NO red dot scopes, must be some sort of reticle that is precise enough for long shots... I don't care if it's illuminated or not. I shoot more at long ranges than at short... All replies appreciated!
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    Im interested in the new XTR as well. The reticle looks useful and not busy at all. My only problem with Burris optics, at least the type I handled, is that they are a little unforgiving regarding off axis viewing, as all magnified optics do, but I havent had that problem (as bad anyway) with most Trijicon or Bushnell magnified optics that I have owned or used.

    Speaking of Trijicon--So you have a fondness for the TA-01 NSN? I had one on my duty M4 for close to two years and I couldnt wait to get rid of it! For me the "irons" it came with are just about useless and I found the reticle to be too thin. I even went so far as to get a LaRue mount for it and I also mounted an MRD to the rear of the ACOG. All was better until I put on my K-Pot because when Id get behind the glass with my MICH on it would hit the MRD so Id back off the ACOG a little and well...you get the idea. Life is good now. :-)

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    Nice, thanx. Yeah, I do like the TA01-NSN - if the shooting is done more on the "precision" side than the CQB side... and yeah, those primitive iron sights on it are useless, I took them off my M16 (served as a SDM for 3 yrs), and had got ahold of the NSN from a friend in the armory, all the other ACOG's that were available were using that BAC chevron deal or triangle on post, which I though covered too much of the target at 150+ yards, and the thin little yellow rangefinding reticle made further shots a bit more natural for me (keep in mind, this was right after 9/11 and M4's weren't "general issue" yet, and if I were stuck in an "urban combat" scenario, rather than an "Afghan battlefield" scenario, my opinion might have changed!)
    I've not checked into off axis particulars, as I'm looking for more of a standard long range optic rather than a CQB sight, and getting the FastFire deal, while ugly, would serve all situations for me.. I hope I'm not making a $750 mistake lol. Thanx!
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    I believe it will be money will spent. My Burris exp came from their Fullfield and Short Mag lines and not the XTR so you should do well given the rep of the company. Now that I think about it---contact Burris and get with their LE/Mil rep as their $$$ cant be beat. Same holds true for Luppy and their glass. What ever you might do please let us know. Im also looking for an optic in the same class as you (leaning AccuPoint, though) and I would like to hear your outcome.

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    Will do! I've been doing a TON of research on a scope under 1K for my rifle, and have been comparing these scopes:
    Burris XTR 14 w/ Fastfire, 1-4X24mm, 30mm tube, ILL XTR .223 reticle, $749
    Burris XTR 14 w/o Fastfire, same as above, $599
    Leupold Mark 4 MR-T M2, 1.5-5X20mm, 30mm tube, ILL Special Purpose reticle, $879
    Valdata IOR M2 .223, 4X24, 30mm tube, ILL CQB reticle, $595
    Burris EuroDiamond Tactical, 1-4X24mm, 30mm tube, non-ILL XTR .223 reticle, $499
    Leupold Mark4 PRS, 1.5-5X20mm, 1" tube, non-ILL Special purpose reticle, $599
    Leupold Mark2 Tactical, 1.5-4x20mm, 1" tube, non-ILL Duplex (yuck), $389
    Millet DMS-1, 1-4x24mm, 30mm tube, ILL Circle Dot reticle, $279

    I kept reading some bad reviews on the Millet, excellent scope for the money, but cannot stand up to rigorous combat handling. I decided against both the lower priced Leupold's, as a 1" tube scope will provide a small F.O.V. for CQB situations, and the duplex reticle just SUCKS lol. The IOR Valdata is a good, combat proven optic, it just falls short in "my" needs because of the lack of variable power range, and looks dept. I like the EuroDiamond Tactical, as it uses the same reticle as the XTR 1-4's, which is the best I've seen yet, I just wish it were illuminated... so, basically I'm stuck between the XTR 1-4's and the Leupold Mark 4 Mid Range Tactical M2 scope w/ Illuminated Special Purpose reticle (which is also very very nice)... the Leupy is quite a bit more expensive, but the XTR FastFire has more features for $100 less, and even comes with a good set of rings. I'll post a review, as detailed as I can, on whichever one I end up with. Thanx!
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    You might also consider Bushnells new 4200 Elite 1.5-4X24 mm optic. Very good glass indeed. SWFA lists them at $389.00 I believe. It doesnt have the "swat ninja cool" reticle but it might work for you just the same.

    Also, G&R has package deals with AccuPoint and mount of your choice (LaRue or ADM). Their a 25mm tube but I wouldnt call the FOV small by any means. Good luck.

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    That Burris looks really hard to beat.

    I'm going to pick one up for the next Team Match. If you can wait till Sept 20th Ill have a review.

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    Sounds good. What will you be using for a mount and what optic will the Burris be replacing / augmenting?

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    you might check this out as well under 800.00 with LaRue mount and no batteries needed.............http://www.laruetactical.com/pics/tr...n125-4x24.html

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    I checked into the Trijicon Accupoint series when researching what scope I needed... and I could only find them with rudimentary "triangle on a post" reticles - which don't can't serve my needs... They cover a lot of the target, so long range precision shots are out, and has no rangefinding capabilities to speak of. The only Trijicon scopes I can use is obviously the ACOG series, which I can't afford, and most of them come with a carry handle mount, and needs a special bracket to mount to a flattop rail, I don't like that, more things to get bent and lose zero.
    I also think the Burris XTR will outperform the ACOG as an all around SDM optic, as it has a precise reticle that isn't too busy, and is also a true 1X optic, so "both eyes open" CQB shooting works better than the ACOG's 4X. Advantages of the ACOG, obviously would be battery-less operation, and (probably) would be a bit tougher. I'm not planning on dropping my rifle down any stairs or anything, so the Burris will be tough enough I'm sure, and might even be just as tough. We'll see.
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