Pope says those who invest in or manufacture weapons are hypocrites

[Bulletdog]

"Pot, this is Kettle." "Kettle, Pot".

[ST911]

Opinions on the catholic church, papal politics, etc from the usual GD crowd here:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...ring-Of-Wealth.

Best hope for this thread is to keep it narrowly to the Vatican and 2A, personal protection, etc.

[MountainRaven]

Has anybody actually read the article?

The title seems like clickbait and the actual quote lacks context:

"It makes me think of ... people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn't it?" he said to applause.

He also criticized those who invest in weapons industries, saying "duplicity is the currency of today ... they say one thing and do another."

We're lacking lots of details. And if this is all that the Pope said, he isn't exactly calling people who are involved in the arms trade 'unChristian'. It seems he might be criticizing the Ford Motor Company's manufacture of war materiél for the Nazis using Jewish slave labor. But since there is very little or no context....

I don't recall that one.

"A lay follower should not engage in five types of business. Which five? Business in weapons, business in human beings, business in meat, business in intoxicants, and business in poison."

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipit....177.than.html

[skijunkie55]

So he's going to call out those involved in firearms manufacturing but not restaurant staff who serve alcohol to obviously intoxicated people and allow them to drive, pharmacists who prepare birth control prescriptions, car salesmen who sell windowless vans to child molesters...

Yeah go back to your clueless crowd who still think you're God's anointed messenger.

[Palmguy]

Has anybody actually read the article?

The title seems like clickbait and the actual quote lacks context:



We're lacking lots of details. And if this is all that the Pope said, he isn't exactly calling people who are involved in the arms trade 'unChristian'. It seems he might be criticizing the Ford Motor Company's manufacture of war materiél for the Nazis using Jewish slave labor. But since there is very little or no context....



"A lay follower should not engage in five types of business. Which five? Business in weapons, business in human beings, business in meat, business in intoxicants, and business in poison."

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipit....177.than.html

http://visnews-en.blogspot.com/2015/...nst-grain.html

He's calling people who make weapons and call themselves Christians hypocrites.

[foxtrotx1]

If he's really worried about the death camps he should really look into Pope Pius XII and the involvement of the Catholic Church in Odessa and the assistance to other nazi war criminals.

Thankfully I don't really care what the Pope thinks about anything. He could be an ardent anti communist, advocating scientific reform in the church and preaching self determination and I still wouldn't care.

Logical fallacy. Falls under tu quoque, or an "argument from hypocrisy." It is illogical to assume that since the church has previously made actions counter to their current ones, that they cannot make a reasonable argument today. You are attacking previous actions rather than providing real support for the issue at hand.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

http://visnews-en.blogspot.com/2015/...nst-grain.html

He's calling people who make weapons and call themselves Christians hypocrites.

Then, in the 1930s and 1940s, the tragedy of the Shoah. The great powers had photographed the railway lines that carried the trains to the concentration camps, such as Auschwitz, to kill Jews, and also Christians, Roma, homosexuals, to kill them there. But tell me, why did they not bomb them? Interests!

He's going to have to explain what the 'interests' were that favored the killing of the Jews. A conspiracy person would assume that the Allies were tacitly allowing the Nazi's to kill the Jews. Were we more 'interested' in taking out military targets?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Logical fallacy. Falls under tu quoque, or an "argument from hypocrisy." It is illogical to assume that since the church has previously made actions counter to their current ones, that they cannot make a reasonable argument today. You are attacking previous actions rather than providing real support for the issue at hand.

Sooo, revisionist infallibility? We're right until we admit we were wrong before, but that makes us right instantly again.

[WickedWillis]

He's the CEO of the world's largest corporation.

[nova3930]

Does that include the companies that arm the Swiss Guards who keep his head on his shoulders?