How Lazy is this,,,,,

[soulezoo]

How can you possibly make 150k as a fireman?

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/San-..._D_KO30,40.htm

The base salary for a lieutenant within the San Francisco Fire Department is $153,148.

S.F. is the highest salaried fire dept in the USA.

[brickboy240]

Sounds typical if you ask me.

I run a chemical trucking company and many of our drivers earn right at 6 figures. Yes...6 figures for just driving a tanker rig!

You'd be amazed at the number of drivers I have had to fire, that were too lazy to do simple things like turn in accurate paperwork and other minute details. People that could not show up on time or could not remember small details.

Many of these drivers came in with long and glowing resumes. They had it down that they worked for XYZ Company for 8-10 years. Good references that I checked up on. Then...about 2 weeks into working, they did lazy things or just turned to crap. There is NO WAY some of these jokers worked for large trucking companies for 8-10 years with THAT kind of work ethic! No way.

So yes, I believe THIS is the biggest problem in employment in America today. Many applicants out there paint a good picture and APPEAR reliable and worth hiring, then you take the risk, sign them on and they turn to shit in a week. Turning lazy, forgetful, irresponsible or downright dangerous.

The problem in America is not that there is no jobs, but that very, VERY few people are employ-able!

I hate to break this to the younger viewers, but this is MUCH more prevalent in those under, say, the age of 35. One reason I try to hire older people but you'd be amazed at how many people in their 40s and 50s that do not have their shit together.

[Averageman]

I hate to break this to the younger viewers, but this is MUCH more prevalent in those under, say, the age of 35. One reason I try to hire older people but you'd be amazed at how many people in their 40s and 50s that do not have their shit together.

This is exactly what I'm seeing, my current Supervisor is within 6 months of retirement. The last thing this guy wants to deal with on his way out the door is firing someone, yet it's inevitable.
The guy comes out and tells the boss, I'm taking a sick day today so I can pack for my vacation that starts tomorrow.
I would have told him, "Go ahead, but don't come back after your vacation unless it's to empty out your desk and turn in your gear."

[murphman]

Sounds typical if you ask me.

I run a chemical trucking company and many of our drivers earn right at 6 figures. Yes...6 figures for just driving a tanker rig!

You'd be amazed at the number of drivers I have had to fire, that were too lazy to do simple things like turn in accurate paperwork and other minute details. People that could not show up on time or could not remember small details.

Many of these drivers came in with long and glowing resumes. They had it down that they worked for XYZ Company for 8-10 years. Good references that I checked up on. Then...about 2 weeks into working, they did lazy things or just turned to crap. There is NO WAY some of these jokers worked for large trucking companies for 8-10 years with THAT kind of work ethic! No way.

So yes, I believe THIS is the biggest problem in employment in America today. Many applicants out there paint a good picture and APPEAR reliable and worth hiring, then you take the risk, sign them on and they turn to shit in a week. Turning lazy, forgetful, irresponsible or downright dangerous.

The problem in America is not that there is no jobs, but that very, VERY few people are employ-able!

I hate to break this to the younger viewers, but this is MUCH more prevalent in those under, say, the age of 35. One reason I try to hire older people but you'd be amazed at how many people in their 40s and 50s that do not have their shit together.

I am 28 and completely agree with this, punctuality alone is nearly extinct in young people. More and more companies I am noticing are actually catering to this by telling there employees to be here "around" said time. Some might call the flexibility but I would have to disagree.

[Crow Hunter]

I believe it.

I work for a company that furloughs people during the slow season so that they only get 32 hrs a week. Everyone was always bitching at me because it wasn't fair that I, being salaried, got to work 5 days a week and got paid for it. So I took my time and arranged with maintenance to get some people to come in and paint lines in the floor/clean up/paint walls/etc. I needed 6 people. Not a single person in the entire department of 50 some odd people were willing to do it. They didn't want to come in unless they were doing "their job". I haven't offered to help again.

I could give hundreds of stories about how hard it is for my wife to find people to work at her company. (She is the HR Manager) They are the highest paying company in the town and in the surrounding area. You have to drive over 50 miles to find a comparable job. Half the people that put in resumes don't even have a GED, 25% of those that do, don't show up for an interview, of the 25% that do have at least a GED AND can bother to show up for an interview, all but 5% can't pass a drug test. At least a large portion of them, when they are told that they do a hair test (not a piss test), just say they can't pass and save my wife from having to waste time on a drug test. So out of 100 people that put in applications, she is lucky if she has 5 people that she can hire on average.

That completely leaves out the morons that do get hired and can't figure out how to get to work on time, can't work safely, can't stop sniffing the solvent, or just plain can't figure out how to run the equipment at a reasonable rate. This company goes to ridiculous lengths to help employees with addictions, gives them a huge number of opportunities to miss work and not "point out" and they have a defined benefit pension, good benefits AND a 401k and pay more than pretty much anyone around.

Even during the economic downturn, my wife said it wasn't that there weren't any jobs, there just aren't any qualified/dependable candidates. She never stops doing orientations because they have constant turnover. And it isn't because people are leaving for better jobs. It's because 90% of the people who live around here are complete morons.

It is ridiculous.

[brickboy240]

I have to be honest...I could stand to have 1-2 more full time drivers, but it is so iffy and expensive to "try' someone new, I just farm out the extra work we get from time to time. Other times, I just have my better drivers take up the slack with extra work. This is actually less taxing on my nerves and cheaper in the long run.

I am pretty sure i am not the only employer that does this - farming out extra work instead of hiring new people.

[TehLlama]

Me--So you'd rather sit at home doing nothing and not getting paid, Than sit at job site & make overtime for doing nothing and watching tv in their fancy media room, & getting free Dinner?
Okay whatever, I'll find someone else

He lived 5 minutes away....

If you disturbed somebody's 'hand strength exercises', probably not that unusual a response.

You summed it up brilliantly - you'll find somebody else. When it's time to send employees to valuable training, you'll find somebody else. When it's time to promote and create leadership positions, you'll find somebody else.
On the bright side, you at least know you're not screwing somebody over, as chilling at home was worth at least $30/hr to that guy, so you needn't feel bad about the above.

[Leaveammoforme]

Back ground,
Work as a High end carpenter, Problem solver etc. for a General contractor/care taking company.

One of my responsibilites is to ensure a direct employee of the company is on site after hours for deliveries or when subs are working after hours
aka Baby sitting

Me calling employee --What you doing tonight?

Employee-- Nothing watch TV.

Me-want some easy overtime? ($30 plus hour)plus dinner, You don't actually have to do anything just be on site for 4 hours,

Employee-- To tired just watching TV

Me--So you'd rather sit at home doing nothing and not getting paid, Than sit at job site & make overtime for doing nothing and watching tv in their fancy media room, & getting free Dinner?
Okay whatever, I'll find someone else

He lived 5 minutes away....

I would have told you the same. I pass up easy double time very often that approaches $70 an hour. I don't live to work. I'm not a company man. I don't bleed company colors. Honest 8 and hit the gate.

That could be misconstrued as lazy or unmotivated. Or it could be living within your means. I value the short time we have on this planet and don't want to sale it off.

Nobody on their death bed regrets not working more.

[brickboy240]

When times get thin and we have to lay people off....I always remember those that did the minimum and those that went beyond now and then.

Guess who stays and who goes?

...enjoy your time...you now have plenty of it...and no income.

[MegademiC]

I would have told you the same. I pass up easy double time very often that approaches $70 an hour. I don't live to work. I'm not a company man. I don't bleed company colors. Honest 8 and hit the gate.

That could be misconstrued as lazy or unmotivated. Or it could be living within your means. I value the short time we have on this planet and don't want to sale it off.

Nobody on their death bed regrets not working more.

Nobody on there deathbed regrets not watching more tv... well maybe some do.

I agree, it's a balance. Money buys things/experiences, but u need time to live them. However, this situation sounds bad.