The RINOs are Right, well Correct.

[BoringGuy45]

Brown v. Board of Education overturned Plessy v. Furgerson, ending the era of Jim Crow, which was a very damn good thing.

At this point, what isn't stopping them from overturning a good ruling because of emotions, or public opinion?

I bought ammo today if anyone cares.

The fact that a number of things need to happen to get DC v. Heller overturned. I don't think the court can just wake up one day and say, "You know what? We were wrong back in 2008. DC v. Heller is officially overturned. From this day forth, the 2nd Amendment will be interpreted to mean only that the military is allowed to have guns." If that were to happen, even with all these liberal rulings, the same 5 justices who ruled in favor of Heller and McDonald are still on the court.

[Mauser KAR98K]

The fact that a number of things need to happen to get DC v. Heller overturned. I don't think the court can just wake up one day and say, "You know what? We were wrong back in 2008. DC v. Heller is officially overturned. From this day forth, the 2nd Amendment will be interpreted to mean only that the military is allowed to have guns." If that were to happen, even with all these liberal rulings, the same 5 justices who ruled in favor of Heller and McDonald are still on the court.

For the time being. Project further down the road. It's how the liberals think and why we've been loosing.

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For the time being. Project further down the road. It's how the liberals think and why we've been loosing.

The liberals know how to play the long game. The roots for all of this progressivist thought, contrary to the message of most GOP candidates, didn't start with Obama nor will they end with Hillary. Go back a century and you'll see the intellectual roots in US marxism and the practical ongoing, but gradual erosion of our rights in proportion to how the role of the state increases. If you took someone from 1915 and said, "this week the supreme court is going to legalize gay marriage, rewrite law to allow for subsidized government mandated healthcare, and allow HUD to forcibly integrate neighborhoods" - they would think you just escaped from the looney bin. If you make the same statements, decade by decade to present; you will appear to be less insane (even though the decisions are insane) as the years go on due to the change in morality and acceptance of the increasing role of government.

Lest we forget, the same "socialized medicine" proposed by Clinton, now fulfilled by Obamacare (SCOTUScare) didn't receive a very warm reception back in the '90's by media, voters, or many democrats. Today the GOP is too afraid to say "the government shouldn't be responsible for your healthcare - we can't afford it, and it isn't our role. What we can do is make sure government isn't a barrier" Now they cowardly have to cater to the dependent and propose "alternatives" that maintain subsidies. The GOP of the 90's could say this as could the DEMs of the 50's. The long game got them and society changed.

Today, the liberal playbook is much easier for them to speed the process of "fundamental transformation". Your average voter doesn't vote, doesn't know anything about he issues, is distracted by technology, media, and entertainment, and only votes based on whatever critical mass a candidate achieves in the media's portrayal of them or whatever gaff they get punished for. If their candidate doesn't win it is "hey, my vote doesn't count, so why bother". Today, the more a party loses elections, the more elections they will lose. Liberals know this, so that is why elections get ugly and that keeps GOP voters away. Liberal voters have no moral compass or sensitivities to offend, so a dirty campaign doesn't put them off. They will still vote based on dependence, or some intangible slogan based propaganda that makes them feel good. "hope and change", social justice, equality, etc.

There is no coincidence that liberals have monopolized education and media. If you find the way to control your message and legitimize it, there becomes less resistance to it. There was a time when even the ivy league schools were conservative. Over time, liberals took over until they control the faculty boards to determine who gets tenure and only allow for like minded folks. The same philosophy has trickled down to even local schools. If liberals indoctrinate kids to believe in their utopias, it becomes nearly impossible to get them to accept that what they learned as "truth" or "fact" isn't so. It becomes an uphill battle.

Media is the same. There are few conservative viewpoints on local news, none on national big network news, little in most print media, and zero in most cable news. Furthermore, there are very few news outlets that don't mix opinion into news and call it news. Reporting events is something that can be done without bias, but there is a strategy to inject bias into it. This is just propaganda 101 but it didn't happen overnight.

If you gradually erode morals, destroy religion, destroy culture, destroy trust or faith in fellow man, destroy community, destroy the family, create dependence and erode the sense of self, you end up with a society that is ripe for what we have now. The larger looming problem is that what we have now is usually the precursor in history for something much worse to come. What can we do? As individuals we can do as Moose-Knuckle suggests:

Many feel that we (the US) are on borrowed time. We have passed our expiration date. I'm not throwing in the towel but I can't "fix" the problem either. As I said in another thread along the same vein; eat right, workout, train, stockpile firearms/ammo/mags/food/water, etc. Things are about to go critical mass, plan accordingly.

As a society we can attempt to band together like minded individuals and work to change what we can. We also have to be prepared to play a long game, unless events create other opportunities, and just can't look at the carnage that would follow and faint at the sight of blood. Fainting at the sight of blood is why the GOP can't achieve anything and can't make tough decisions.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Okay, so what do we do about this?

Ride this bitch down. Get as much capital/wealth as you can and get as much off the govt as you can apply for. Get into businesses that have strong Progressive backing and govt funding.

That's the Chicago way.

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Ride this bitch down. Get as much capital/wealth as you can and get as much off the govt as you can apply for. Get into businesses that have strong Progressive backing and govt funding.

That's the Chicago way.

Two words: Green Energy

[foxtrotx1]

Two words: Green Energy

it's the future, might as well get in on it. As tech gets better green energy production will simply become the norm. Consumers will nary notice a difference some day.

Also, if Gays getting equal liberties (which were not prohibited by the constitution) is the end of the end, then I embrace this new world. It's fabulous.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Two words: Green Energy

The key thing is to either get a union job there or get into a level of management that is immune from the cuts these companies will take when they fail before they get resurrected with public money. Become active in local (city) Dem politics and figure out a way to raise/bundle money for them.

Think of GM. The union guys were taken care of. Corp bosses taken care of. The white collar middle management took it in the tail pipe.

Education is the other obvious choice. I tell young people, get a real degree with enough education background to get a job at a public school. I'm thinking something in the STEM/Computers area that typical education majors can't hack. Apply to Suburban school districts (Chicago's are currently some of the highest paying) and get a job, get tenure. Get at least a masters and probably a Doctorate over the next 30 years in 'Education'. Get tenure. Retire a millionaire, summers off and sweet retirement packages as you rack up tenure.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...chool-district

In Park Ridge and Hinsdale, about 43 percent of high school district teachers earned $100,000 or more, according to a Chicago Tribune salary analysis.

Note: This may not hold out for the next generation but it was an awesome option for college grads in the 70s-90s.

If you don't get a job in one of these districts, fall back on your real degree and get a job in something like green energy.

Nurse practitioners or Physician assistants are the other path. They are going to knock the living crap out or MDs like pediatricians and family practice. Sweet money and not that much upfront education compared to MDs.

That is what I've learned and am passing on

[sevenhelmet]

To be blatantly honest: hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

Our main focus right now is how do we defeat Jeb Bush! We have to really come to a conciseness of a GOP candidate that is conservative that the Libertarians can like, and kick the shit out of Hillary or Sanders. Then we focus on defeating Hillary or Sanders, and putting more conservatives in Congress. If we manage to do all of this, we need to begin pushing for term limits right away.

The best way as of now to do this...volunteer and help out at your local Republican HQ and start steering people to the right candidate. Sitting on the sidelines and bitching and moaning and "I'm not going to give another dime to..." isn't going to help.

Preparing for the worst: I'd start forming militias with people you can trust and have a plan to retake the country, the constitution, and to do it all without any bloodshed and in a way that make our enemies won't worry about a rogue group might have their hands on a nuclear arsenal. I'd start talking with your local Sheriffs, if you trust them. I'd let them know you are very uncomfortable with the way things are going; about the lawlessness of our government. I'd start preping gear. I'd stock pile. I'd train. I'd be thinking of better solutions to solve this. I'd start thinking about ROEs. And I'd really start thinking about that once the music is over, if we've won, how to keep Conservatives and Libertarians from ripping each others throats out afterwards.

And I wouldn't hide it either. It makes the other side view us that we will go along with it without a fight. We need them to know that will not be the case, and if we're lucky, they will back down.

All that hinges on if we don't win at the ballot box this election cycle.

To remind all those who are waiting for this: our last civil war was very, very bloody. I have no reservations the next one could prove the same with interest.

Mauser, I am on board with what you're saying, but... I would be very, very careful in how and with whom you discuss "rainy day" type militias. This is a subject I haven't figured out how to broach without sounding like I'm plotting sedition, or being a traitor, which I am most certainly not. I love this country. But the fact is that people tend to jump to the wrong conclusions, and that's something I haven't figured out to mitigate in the process of starting the conversation you're suggesting.

I know if it ever came down to it, I wouldn't be alone. But it's hard to imagine how to discuss that ahead of time with people who (like myself) stand a lot to lose if someone draws the wrong conclusion from what they are trying to articulate.

[ralph]

I don't think I'd recommend Chicago City schools.. They are currently $1.8 BILLION in the hole.. Chicago itself is essentially broke.. The state of Illinois is currently running a budget deficit of $8 BILLION, and the Mayor of Chitown thinks the state is going to bail out Chicago, and the schools.. Chicago is the next Detroit, The only reason it hasn't went bankrupt yet is because the state has some inane law that won't allow city's to go bankrupt and restructure their debt.. Getting a job in education isn't a bad idea, It is however, in Chicago...

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I don't think I'd recommend Chicago City schools.. They are currently $1.8 BILLION in the hole.. Chicago itself is essentially broke.. The state of Illinois is currently running a budget deficit of $8 BILLION, and the Mayor of Chitown thinks the state is going to bail out Chicago, and the schools.. Chicago is the next Detroit, The only reason it hasn't went bankrupt yet is because the state has some inane law that won't allow city's to go bankrupt and restructure their debt.. Getting a job in education isn't a bad idea, It is however, in Chicago...

Suburbs dude. New trier, Hinsdale, Olympia Fields, LT to name a few.