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I think most would. But I think what is being said is that being a slave in North America was far preferable to being a slave in South America, or even worse...being a slave in Africa. Slaves in Africa would be worked to death and then literally end up in the soup. Not that being a slave in North America was all "Huckleberry Finn" and good times, but it beat the alternatives.Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag
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Philosophically, perhaps.
But while we are a "slave to the system" to a certain extent, when was the last time your boss raped your wife, sold your kids to another company or broke your legs because you applied for work elsewhere?
So I think "slave" is more than a bit of a stretch. A mild form of indentured servitude would be more accurate. And you can always go Ted Kaczynski and live in a shack if you have the skills to survive.
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This could, at times and in various circumstances, be applied to the dirt poor white Europeans (i.e. Irish) who suffered through horrible conditions and discrimination in the North. These poor white immigrants were seen as disposable and hated every bit as blacks would have experienced in the south.
Whereas, a southerner might have had the equivalent cost of a new work vehicle invested in his slave. As importation of slaves was banned, it became even more critical to protect that investment as replacement "by breeding" carried both a large money and time investment. We all know demand and supply drive price. Not saying all slave owners valued their investments. Likewise, most here are aware, it is a fallacy that everyone owned slaves. Slave ownership was a relatively wealthy man's game.
The "Nativists" sure weren't amiable towards the poor white immigrants. They looked to exploit and suppress them to the grandest of circumstances. At one point, the Nativists even had their own political party - known as the "Know Nothing Party" and later changed to the "American Party" - with specific goals to segregate established white "Natives" from the poor immigrants. At membership over 1 million and several state and federal officials, they held some political sway for a time.
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There is slavery to a system and then there is Slavery.
Slavery in the South (or north for that matter), and especially in South America was harsh and cruel. I would rather live in a mud hut than with those conditions.
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we have to remember who captured and enslaved who to sell !!! Africans did this to Africans so the idea of freedom was actually not very free sadly
we have to look at there OWN country was the problem and still is today which is the root there own people and country are the ones that started all this and were doing all this long before the Americas trade started happening so they were in this long before !! and are still in it today
at least those that came to the North Americas had a chance of having a better life than those that went to Southern or Central America
I have been saying this all the time about learning history of slavery
since I lived in the Caribbean I lived with locals I was not in a rich area etc.....
hearing them they hate the Spaniards with a passion for what they did and realize that North America was the place to be
considering how they live now they are so sick of hearing about US blacks and there whining considering how good they have it
poverty in the Caribbean is nothing like the welfare poverty of the US that is for sure nobody bails you out down there !
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Yes I do. I can work how and where I want and live my life as I wish as long as I don't trample the rights of others.
What you describe is commerce, not slavery. If you own your house and car, well, you own that. A job does provide living quarters, food, ect. It's called money that you buy that stuff with. Relating a market to real slavery is rediculous.
People who live in debt do so by choice, not force.
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Very true, I think the Man in the funny Brown Hat used to say "You dumb asses are doing this to yourselves" and I would say many if not most Americans kind of have a knack for it.
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Where you think they became slaves in the first place?
Life in Africa / Middle East has always been pretty barbaric.
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Thank you for the unwarranted history lesson. Liberty or death is a saying that comes to mind.
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You are most welcome, I do agree with you on Patrick Henry's ideology but would prefer if the people the next village over wouldn't hack my village to pieces and enslave the "lucky" survivors in the first place.
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"In a nut shell, if it ever goes to Civil War, I'm afraid I'll be in the middle 70%, shooting at both sides" — 26 Inf
"We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon 10/30/18
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