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    Quote Originally Posted by Honu View Post
    people like you perfect example ! cant let others say/believe what they want without telling them they are wrong you are correct !
    So you feel your religion and beliefs are correct and superior to other religions? There are countless religions. Most, if not all, based on fiction. Each think they are the end all be all. You can believe whatever you want, doesn't make it fact. Look at Muslim countries, there's no shortage of their "God", so what's their problem? I'm not going to derail this into a religious debate. But with all the problems in this country, when someone says it's because of the lack of God, the BS flag comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkslinger View Post
    You guys saying God are wrong. You don't need to believe in God to be a descent, respectful, productive member of society. I'll even add that religion is one of the problems in the world today.
    I have a challenge for you. Deny, if you can, any of this.

    The most beautiful music, architecture, art, poetry, and literature, ever written or created, in the entire history of man, was the result of Christianity.

    Some of the most profound philosophy, the birth of the university, and the establishment and development of the sciences, happened in the heart of Christendom.

    The understanding of the individual as individual never existed anywhere, at any time, before Christianity came upon the seen.

    You should know ahead of time that these are sentiments expressed by atheists, and no, I don't mean petulant internet atheists, but academics who have written and lectured on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkslinger View Post
    So you feel your religion and beliefs are correct and superior to other religions? There are countless religions. Most, if not all, based on fiction. Each think they are the end all be all. You can believe whatever you want, doesn't make it fact. Look at Muslim countries, there's no shortage of their "God", so what's their problem? I'm not going to derail this into a religious debate. But with all the problems in this country, when someone says it's because of the lack of God, the BS flag comes out.
    The problem with your "theory" is that for it to be correct you have to know for an absolute certainty that God does not exist. And since you can't ever know that for certain, you have to take it on faith, which means your world view is simply a faith based one, no ontologically different than any other.
    "Do you need to be told that even such modest attainments as you boast of in the way of polite society will hardly survive the Faith to which they owe their significance?"
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    "Can't You Lead a Good Life Without Believing in Chistianity?" by C.S. Lewis
    "Do you need to be told that even such modest attainments as you boast of in the way of polite society will hardly survive the Faith to which they owe their significance?"
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    you just proved my point perfectly about people like you being part of the problem ! hahahahahaaaha


    Quote Originally Posted by Inkslinger View Post
    So you feel your religion and beliefs are correct and superior to other religions? There are countless religions. Most, if not all, based on fiction. Each think they are the end all be all. You can believe whatever you want, doesn't make it fact. Look at Muslim countries, there's no shortage of their "God", so what's their problem? I'm not going to derail this into a religious debate. But with all the problems in this country, when someone says it's because of the lack of God, the BS flag comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belloc View Post
    I have a challenge for you. Deny, if you can, any of this.

    The most beautiful music, architecture, art, poetry, and literature, ever written or created, in the entire history of man, was the result of Christianity.

    Some of the most profound philosophy, the birth of the university, and the establishment and development of the sciences, happened in the heart of Christendom.

    The understanding of the individual as individual never existed anywhere, at any time, before Christianity came upon the seen.

    You should know ahead of time that these are sentiments expressed by atheists, and no, I don't mean petulant internet atheists, but academics who have written and lectured on the subject.
    Look, you're obviously more well read on this subject than I. I will deny the music, art, architecture, literature and poetry. The arts are completly subjective. Your "most beautiful", and mine probably aren't the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belloc View Post
    The problem with your "theory" is that for it to be correct you have to know for an absolute certainty that God does not exist. And since you can't ever know that for certain, you have to take it on faith, which means your world view is simply a faith based one, no ontologically different than any other.
    Your abiltity to prove their is a God is as strong as my ability to disprove him.

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    What is the single biggest problem with America today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Honu View Post
    you just proved my point perfectly about people like you being part of the problem ! hahahahahaaaha
    So, explain exactly how I've proven your point?
    ETA: Look, don't explain. I don't really care. Like I said, I'm not trying to derail this into a religious discussion. I never said I didn't believe in a higher power. I do believe though, that not one religion on earth has the right answer. If this earth was all that existed, I would say maybe one of them had it right. There could be trillions of earths, with trillions of different interpretations of God. Are they all different or all the same? Who knows! But to say that the lack of jebus is the driving factor in this cluster f of a country is laughable at best.
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    Teaching everyone to think as one, and that if you are not politically correct you are an abomination. You cannot have your own opinions, and you cannot disagree with anything anyone does in their personal life because then you are a racist, bigot, heathen, Christian or white.
    Last edited by WickedWillis; 06-29-15 at 19:31.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkslinger View Post
    Your abiltity to prove their is a God is as strong as my ability to disprove him.
    Actually, no, not really.

    20 Arguments For God’s Existence
    http://www.strangenotions.com/god-exists/


    How to Prove that Transcendentalism is True
    http://www.strangenotions.com/how-to...alism-is-true/

    So now you have rather painted yourself into a corner, and either have to admit that what you just posted is actually patently not true, or you must refute the argument for the existence of transcendentalism. Good luck with that.

    In any case what you did not, and cannot deny, is that your materialist world view is based entirely on faith, and nothing more.
    "Do you need to be told that even such modest attainments as you boast of in the way of polite society will hardly survive the Faith to which they owe their significance?"
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