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    SCOTUS ruling on Gay marriage = national reciprocity?

    I'm not an attorney so I don't know how far a reach this is, but I'd say at the very least, it sets precedence for national reciprocity if/when the courts had to decide on it:

    SCOTUS Ruling On Same-Sex Marriage Mandates Nationwide Concealed Carry Reciprocity

    If you’re following any of the various media outlets this morning, you’re probably aware that the U.S. Supreme Court has just extended gay marriage to all 50 states.

    The Supreme Court ruled Friday that same-sex couples have a right to marry nationwide, in a historic decision that invalidates gay marriage bans in more than a dozen states.

    Gay and lesbian couples already can marry in 36 states and the District of Columbia. The court’s ruling on Friday means the remaining 14 states, in the South and Midwest, will have to stop enforcing their bans on same-sex marriage.

    The outcome is the culmination of two decades of Supreme Court litigation over marriage, and gay rights generally.

    You can peruse the full ruling here, but the meat of the activist Court’s over-long decision hinges on a single paragraph.

    The Court used Section 1 of the Fourteen Amendment to justify their argument, which reads:

    Amendment XIV
    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    By using the Constitution in such a manner, the Court argues that the Due Process Clause extends “certain personal choices central to individual dignity and autonomy” accepted in a majority of states across the state lines of a handful of states that still banned the practice.

    The vast majority of states are “shall issue” on the matter of issuing concealed carry permits, and enjoy reciprocity with a large number of other states.

    My North Carolina concealed carry permit, for example, was recognized yesterday as being valid in 36 states, which just so happened to be the number of states in which gay marriage was legal yesterday. But 14 states did not recognize my concealed carry permit yesterday.

    Today they must.

    Using the same “due process clause” argument as the Supreme Court just applied to gay marriage, my concealed carry permit must now be recognized as valid in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

    I’ll be driving through the District of Columbia, Maryland, New Jersey, and New York in several weeks, places that until yesterday I did not have a legal right to concealed carry. As of today, with this decision, it would seem that these states and the District must honor my concealed carry permit, or violate my constitutional rights under the 14th and Second Amendment.

    God Bless America.

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    Makes sense to me...

    Let's add Suppressors / SBR's and "magazine bans" to that list as well.

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    I've said this for years.
    I'm only waiting for the "NO, it does NOT work that way!" from the ruling class politicians.

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    Since the justices created legislation from the bench and did not truly utilize the Constitution in the case of homosexual marriage, I wouldn't hold my breath on getting the same ruling to apply to CCW across the 50 states as one of the swing conservative justices tends to swing both ways.
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    I have seen this idea a couple of times since the ruling. As someone who lives behind enemy lines this may or may not benefit me if it came to pass. The bill that has been circulating in DC would not help me at all since it would force NJ to recognize all other 49 permits, but they would not give me one and would not recognize my FL Non-Resident one.

    As others have said, these douches are legislating, not interpreting the Constitution.

    I hope it helps, but I plan on leaving NJ instead.
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    It makes sense and that's why it will never, ever happen.

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    It will make for an interesting argument, certainly, but it will go nowhere. National reciprocity ain't gonna happen on an en passant basis like this.

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    It appears that after further reading, the ruling will also open the doors to polygamists as they can now claim discrimination based on the courts language in the ruling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlestack Wonder View Post
    It appears that after further reading, the ruling will also open the doors to polygamists as they can now claim discrimination based on the courts language in the ruling.
    Makes sense that it would, but let's try and keep this thread on 2A/National reciprocity as it applied to this ruling if possible.
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    Yall don't get your hopes up...like Scalia said earlier this week, to paraphrase...the Court is picking and choosing the laws its favors and discarding the ones it doesn't.
    I say it AINT gonna happen.
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