SCOTUS: States cannot request proof of citizenship for voting.

[docsherm]

Remember to vote early and OFTEN!

[26 Inf]

Was this a requirement before? I am truly curious.

How long before? I live in Kansas and this is pretty much a true statement:

Supporters of the laws have said that they prevent noncitizens from voting, particularly those living in the U.S. illegally. Critics have said incidents of noncitizens registering to vote are extremely rare, and that such Republican-backed laws hurt voter registration efforts and disenfranchise voters from certain groups that tend to vote Democrat, including minorities and college students.

Both sides are correct, but the impact on U.S. citizens who haven't been allowed to vote, far outweighs the impact that non-citizen voters have on elections.

The non-citizen voter issue is a convenient one to focus on, but in reality the second statement is true.

I'm from Kansas, last election several thousand voters among them Veterans of WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam, did not have their votes counted because of this police, which does impact the old, the infirm and the poor.

This is not about eliminating voter fraud, it IS NOT about fairness, it is a charade to reduce the number of opposition party voters.

I belong to the party that benefits most from this, and I still am vehemently opposed, why? Because it is being used to create an unfair advantage.

[26 Inf]

Does this mean our recent law here in TX, making it a requirement to show ID at the poll is null and void?

Of course not, you should have to show an ID, such as a driver's license, that isn't what they are saying.

Only those bent on committing voting fraud would think not showing ID at the polls is a good idea.

This is MUCH worse than the gay marriage ruling if you ask me. Will we ever see a Republican president ever again?

I'm not trying to get up in your face, but 'will we ever see another Republican President' is part of the problem with this whole damned mess. Do you really think that it is right to try to 'game' the rules to ensure our party wins? I don't.

Our system is built on the concept that Voltaire and Blackstone advanced, and Benjamin Franklin echoed: That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved. So in that respect I'd rather have an illegal voter or two before turning away an honest voter. That is our system.

I'm 61 years old, I've been Honorably Discharged from the Marines, retired from the Army, been a law enforcement officer and taught. I've moved. Several times. I haven't the foggiest idea where my birth certificate is. As far as I know maybe my first wife thought it was part of the half of my stuff that she thought was hers. Could I figure out a way to get it? You bet, I'm not disabled, I've been blessed with above average intelligence, and I'm a crafty fvcker, I could prove up.

It would really piss me off though, because that isn't the reason that I served.

Others may not be so lucky.

Most of you are being intellectually dishonest if you won't admit that in reality this furor is more about lessening Democratic impact at the polls than it is about stopping Julio from voting.

Go 'Murica!

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

How long before? I live in Kansas and this is pretty much a true statement:

Supporters of the laws have said that they prevent noncitizens from voting, particularly those living in the U.S. illegally. Critics have said incidents of noncitizens registering to vote are extremely rare, and that such Republican-backed laws hurt voter registration efforts and disenfranchise voters from certain groups that tend to vote Democrat, including minorities and college students.

Both sides are correct, but the impact on U.S. citizens who haven't been allowed to vote, far outweighs the impact that non-citizen voters have on elections.

The non-citizen voter issue is a convenient one to focus on, but in reality the second statement is true.

I'm from Kansas, last election several thousand voters among them Veterans of WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam, did not have their votes counted because of this police, which does impact the old, the infirm and the poor.

This is not about eliminating voter fraud, it IS NOT about fairness, it is a charade to reduce the number of opposition party voters.

I belong to the party that benefits most from this, and I still am vehemently opposed, why? Because it is being used to create an unfair advantage.

This is the same old story that you tried to sell us before- we need to let illegals vote because veterans might be affected. Veterans have a hard time getting ID? Are you being serious? How is it that every old fart in the US can seem to figure out all the minutia on Medi-care, SS and where all the best senior specials are for an early dinner, but having a govt ID is beyond their ability.


BS.

Take your straw man somewhere else Kansas.

Frankly, if you can't get your crap together enough to vote, I don't want you voting.

[MegademiC]

Can you explain how requesting proof of citizenship keeps citizens from voting?

If we had a closed border, I'd be more inclined to agree, but we dont.

[SteyrAUG]

Saw this last night. So they can't ask to provide proof of citizenship during registration but they can still investigate in the person lied on the form. This simply puts the burden of proof on the state and not the individual. States can still request ID at the place of polling tho.

This is bad, but not the end of the world.

Most illegals have state issued ID, including Driver's Licenses.

[26 Inf]

Frankly, if you can't get your crap together enough to vote, I don't want you voting.

Problem is, it isn't about you, or even me, it's about America and what it stands for.

Just as much as actions from the left erodes the foundation America was built on, so do actions such as the one we are discussing from the right side of the spectrum.

As far as this statement goes: but having a govt ID is beyond their ability - am I to infer that you think we should all have a Government ID to present upon demand? The old imperious 'Papers, let me see ze papers.' Well that certainly screams freedom.

Folks should have no problem showing proof of where they reside to vote - a DL, or anything with an address on it should suffice. We've gone well over 200 years without the birth certificate thing, why start now?

[brickboy240]

If "Julio" is not a US citizen...then yes..this IS about keeping him from voting!

Surely you did not serve, only to allow those that have broken into America to vote in our elections.

Why is this country bent on not having ANY system of ID at the voting booth? Only those bent on committing voter fraud would want this.

[Averageman]

Problem is, it isn't about you, or even me, it's about America and what it stands for.

Just as much as actions from the left erodes the foundation America was built on, so do actions such as the one we are discussing from the right side of the spectrum.

As far as this statement goes: but having a govt ID is beyond their ability - am I to infer that you think we should all have a Government ID to present upon demand? The old imperious 'Papers, let me see ze papers.' Well that certainly screams freedom.

Folks should have no problem showing proof of where they reside to vote - a DL, or anything with an address on it should suffice. We've gone well over 200 years without the birth certificate thing, why start now?

I'm thinking because we have between 5 to perhaps as many as 10% of our population and growing that are noncitizens.
Now if you break that down and look at border states we might have more of that burden to bear here in Texas than you do in Kansas. The idea that an American citizen is quiet smart enough to obtain a copy of their birth certificate or a passport or any other means of documentation to prove their citizenship is just wrong. To be frank, I would agree that if you haven't the brains to obtain documentation, you really might not need to be voting.
The idea that those who are not authorized to vote would attempt to especially at this time in our history is perhaps more likely than at any other.
There is simply too much at stake.
Ben Franklin, Voltaire and Blackstone, I cannot speak for, they were Men of their times and however well intended their writings and thoughts may have been again, they were Men of Their Times.
We have been over run by a soft invasion of those who wish to fundamentally change our country and it's future course in democracy and freedom.
So, quite frankly if you don't care enough to show up with ID, you really don't need to be there.

[brickboy240]

The left knows damn well that if you had to show a birth certificate or drivers license at the polling place, people like Obama and Clinton would never get any farther than mayor or city council membership.

They are bent on allowing illegal immigrants to vote in our elections and us never seeing a GOP president again.

if you doubt this...you are delusional...sorry.