Now It's Gotten Serious..Rebel Flag Bikini's Banned....

[Trajan]

Yes there were clearly differences, but both are forms of statism. What Hitler viewed Marxism as was of little importance, what Stalin viewed Nazism as was of significant importance. Stalin viewed Nazism as another form of statism and felt deeply betrayed when Hitler attacked the USSR.

If you can't see that, perhaps you should take a critical look at what propaganda you were taught in the public screwels, Hitler was most definitely a statist (leftist).

Stalin talked openly to his inner circle that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact had bought them a few years to get their war industry up to support a war with Germany.

Traditional left-right "wings" have Communism and Socialism on the far left, with conservatism and fascism on the far right. I have seen others with Stalinism on the left, and total anarchy on the right, but these are recent spectrums.

While I do think these political spectrums have validity, they do not work well when dealing with syncretic parties, such as the NSDAP.

Hitler was not a fan of communism, however the "National Socialist German Workers Party" was left wing. Ironically it was patterned after Mussolini's fascist government which was right wing. Ernst Rohm was the most ardent "socialist" of the NSDAP and saw commonality with the USSR. For this and other reasons he was disposed of when the time came.

There is a lot of confusion because at the two extremes, statist governments have more in common with each other than anything in the middle.

We both know that people put names in their parties or states that have no reflection whatsoever on reality. ex. "Republic", "Democratic", etc.

You pretty much answer it in your first paragraph. Rohm and his "Second Revolution" led to his liquidation. That, and his comments about incorporating the Reichsheer into the SA.

Yes, the far right and the far left are essentially the same thing, but for different reasons.

The NSDAP roots in the Freikorp is what put it at odds with Marxist communism as they were the two competing factions for power in Germany.

Source?

[SteyrAUG]

Yep and what's sad as you see all rhe commie scum trying to hang that nazi bullshit around the necks of libertarians when nothing further can be from the truth.

Facts don't matter anymore.

If I had a dollar for every time somebody said "Maybe that's what it used to mean..." in a discussion, I'd be a very rich man. Words, and to a greater extent symbols, no longer have meaning because they are what an uniformed majority of the population decides they are.

"Thug" is no longer a word coined by the black community to show adherence and / or support of it's criminal elements. Now it is a word used by racists as a "code slur", except of course for those times when it is used by the black community to show adherence and / or support of it's criminal elements.

The rebel flag has now been equated to a hate symbol on par with the Nazi swastika, however communist symbols are still acceptable expression of rejection of American Imperialism (whatever the hell that actually is, I can't think of a single American colony in our empire). Never mind that millions died under the hammer and sickle, it's still just a symbol of rebellion and nothing more. But the CSA flag is about slavery and nothing more.

I think I'm going to just start flying this to confuse idiots.

[HKGuns]

You knew the current owner of the original General Lee is painting over the rebel flag on the roof and replacing it with a US flag didn't you?

I'm not especially sympathetic to the redneck south, shitty music

Now don't you go hating on Molly Hatchet and Skynrd on me.

I've only been to South Carolina a few times, to me I think I could best describe most of the people I met as "the most polite people I've ever encountered" and that is regardless of race. Somehow I must have missed all of the idiots when I was there.

Some of the most likable folks in the Country and I'm sure their embarrassment and politeness is behind their allowance for this baloney to continue.

[SteyrAUG]

Source?

Basic history of the Wiemar Republic and the NSDAP. If you really want to get into it, probably nothing better than Shrier's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich."

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Thir...he+third+reich

[Trajan]

Basic history of the Wiemar Republic and the NSDAP. If you really want to get into it, probably nothing better than Shrier's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich."

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Thir...he+third+reich

Source as in the only reason the NSDAP was anti-Marxist is because of Freikorp members.

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, as much as I enjoyed this book being one of the first I read on the subject, is academically unsound. The NSDAP was not the logical culmination of German history.

[morbidbattlecry]

Facts don't matter anymore.

If I had a dollar for every time somebody said "Maybe that's what it used to mean..." in a discussion, I'd be a very rich man. Words, and to a greater extent symbols, no longer have meaning because they are what an uniformed majority of the population decides they are.

"Thug" is no longer a word coined by the black community to show adherence and / or support of it's criminal elements. Now it is a word used by racists as a "code slur", except of course for those times when it is used by the black community to show adherence and / or support of it's criminal elements.

The rebel flag has now been equated to a hate symbol on par with the Nazi swastika, however communist symbols are still acceptable expression of rejection of American Imperialism (whatever the hell that actually is, I can't think of a single American colony in our empire). Never mind that millions died under the hammer and sickle, it's still just a symbol of rebellion and nothing more. But the CSA flag is about slavery and nothing more.

I think I'm going to just start flying this to confuse idiots.

Is that like for gay confederates? I always sorta wondered about those Dukes boys...

[SteyrAUG]

Source as in the only reason the NSDAP was anti-Marxist is because of Freikorp members.

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, as much as I enjoyed this book being one of the first I read on the subject, is academically unsound. The NSDAP was not the logical culmination of German history.

I think you read a bit more into my sentence than intended.

I didn't intend to suggest anything was a "sole contributor" to the creation of the NSDAP. As with many political movements it had many origins and often formed in ways unintended by the creators (just ask Trotsky how he felt about Stalinism).

If you have already read "Rise and Fall" then I'm assuming you are well versed on the subject so I'll see if I can get us on the same page.

1. The NSDAP was created out of the Freikorp movemnent as they served as the founding members of the German Workers Party which then became the National Socialists German Workers Party.

2. Key members of the founding group, such as Joseph Goebbels and Ernst Rohm were true socialists and supported a socialist revolution based upon anti capitalist ideas.

3. In the struggle for power in the Wiemar Republic and Reichstag, the German Communist Party was the only other political party that posed a genuine threat to the NSDAP. This contest for power is the primary reason the NSDAP had an anti communist agenda. The fact that the two groups had several political similarities was irrelevant as each was seeking political power.

As for Shrier's book, I don't recall him writing or even suggesting that the NSDAP was a logical culmination or inevitability. He simply cited the events that led to that outcome. Certainly the Wiemar Republic would not survive the dual blow of the Economic Depression and the death of Hindenburg, but history still could have gone a few different ways. But as Hitler was Chancellor of a coalition government at the time of Hindenburgs death he was in a favorable position to take control of everything, and that is what happened starting with the "enabling act."

Franz von Papen was intended to be the "power check" that kept Hitler in place, but he was politically outmaneuvered by Nazi party members. Von Papen did challenge Hitler and the Nazi's with the Marburg Speech but following the Night of the Long Knives he resigned with no successor. With the death of Hindenburg, Papen's primary source of political power, there was no one else with the power to threaten Hitler.

[SteyrAUG]

Is that like for gay confederates? I always sorta wondered about those Dukes boys...

Rebel Pride is what I'm gonna call it.

[Mauser KAR98K]

Facts don't matter anymore.

If I had a dollar for every time somebody said "Maybe that's what it used to mean..." in a discussion, I'd be a very rich man. Words, and to a greater extent symbols, no longer have meaning because they are what an uniformed majority of the population decides they are.

"Thug" is no longer a word coined by the black community to show adherence and / or support of it's criminal elements. Now it is a word used by racists as a "code slur", except of course for those times when it is used by the black community to show adherence and / or support of it's criminal elements.

The rebel flag has now been equated to a hate symbol on par with the Nazi swastika, however communist symbols are still acceptable expression of rejection of American Imperialism (whatever the hell that actually is, I can't think of a single American colony in our empire). Never mind that millions died under the hammer and sickle, it's still just a symbol of rebellion and nothing more. But the CSA flag is about slavery and nothing more.

I think I'm going to just start flying this to confuse idiots.

Monrovia.

[SteyrAUG]

Monrovia.

A country, Liberia, that was largely settled by American's, is no more an American colony than we are still a British colony. Liberia is an independent Republic with their own government, which functions independently of the United States.

I'm not aware of any taxes or tributes paid by Liberia to the United States.

Now it "was" a colony up until 1847, and we recognized it's independence in 1862, but that was some time ago. About as old as the flag on the bikini we were talking about.