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Thread: You Might want to read this, What happens when .mil females are held to standards?

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    I will respectfully disagree with you. I honestly believe the resentment during the first six months of his command would have had him relieved had someone handed out a "survey".
    When you come in to a toxic situation like that many do not understand that the unit is 'brokedick", most of the E-4 and below understood that to be the "norm". It wasn't until we hit the 12 month mark with our Battalion Commander that the majority of soldiers began to appreciate where this was going.
    In order to get there more than a few career Officers and NCO's were kicked to the curb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frailer View Post
    ...I'll play devil's advocate: it's entirely possible to do the right thing the wrong way.

    If your command climate sucks, you're a lousy commander. Period. It's not about politics--it's about leadership.
    So are you saying that the Marines have gotten so soft and PC that breaking a few eggs to make an omelet is no longer acceptable even if it achieves mission success? I thought the Army was the only branch getting wussified.
    We must not believe the Evil One when he tells us that there is nothing we can do in the face of violence, injustice and sin. - Pope Francis I

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosDJackal View Post
    So are you saying that the Marines have gotten so soft and PC that breaking a few eggs to make an omelet is no longer acceptable even if it achieves mission success? I thought the Army was the only branch getting wussified.
    I'm pretty careful to say what I mean, and that's not what I said.

    Not at all.

    Those who have never served in the military or who got out at the lance corporal level might not understand.

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    I say she runs for office in a red state (she is good looking) probably very articulate and aggressive. Once in get on the house/ senate armed services committee. (I'd be her intern) The story of holding to standards and being pushed out because of them while being a female, plays on both sides of the political isle.
    Last edited by Fox33; 07-13-15 at 00:59.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frailer View Post
    Ever been a battalion commander?

    A command climate survey--if done properly--is a fantastic tool, because you can garner information unavailable from any other source. Yes, you're always going to have a few that'll suck up to the boss and others who'll bitch to high heaven no matter what, but taken in the aggregate they tend to be a good dipstick measure of the climate within a unit.

    I've never--not even once--seen a good leader get hammered by such a survey. I have, however, seen a few egotistical assholes get nailed to the wall.
    I have. It's a difficult job, as you are balancing what you want to do, with what your boss wants you to do, and you need his/her CONCURRANCE AND SUPPORT to make it happen. You also need the support of your Senior NCO's or it won't happen. Buck the system too hard and you are going down. However, it can be done; just compassionately do the right thing and don't play favorites. I was never afraid of a command climate survey. You can be firm without coming across as arrogant. A GO I really respected told me once "Never forget, the higher you go, the more of a servant you are to those who serve you"...
    "Those who do can't explain; those who don't can't understand"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skydivr View Post
    I have. It's a difficult job, as you are balancing what you want to do, with what your boss wants you to do, and you need his/her CONCURRANCE AND SUPPORT to make it happen. You also need the support of your Senior NCO's or it won't happen. Buck the system too hard and you are going down. However, it can be done; just compassionately do the right thing and don't play favorites. I was never afraid of a command climate survey. You can be firm without coming across as arrogant. A GO I really respected told me once "Never forget, the higher you go, the more of a servant you are to those who serve you"...
    Bingo.

    If you're afraid of a command climate survey, you're doing something wrong.

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