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Thread: What companies get their chf barrels from FN? And who else makes chf barrels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom12.7 View Post
    I would like to reply with specifics, but I shouldn't.
    I would love to know those specifics, but thats your choice. However would you be willing to share why you don't want to give out that information? I find it interesting that for some companies there is so much secrecy around who forges their barrels and others companies are very very forthcoming with the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    FN builds barrels to spec. Not all barrels that come from FN are chrome-lined the same way, or made of the same steel. Barrel profile and gas port goes without saying.
    Can you point to an FN CHF barrel that isn't either "machinegun steel" or stainless steel? Can you point to one with an uncommon profile?
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    Are any of those barrels posted by Molon 2X chrome lined? If so that pretty much answers my question above.....

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    "I would also like to know why it is such closely guarded information"

    Would you spend 60K for a Lexus if they advertised that it came off of the same assembly line as a Toyota?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GH41 View Post
    "I would also like to know why it is such closely guarded information"

    Would you spend 60K for a Lexus if they advertised that it came off of the same assembly line as a Toyota?
    I would, I mean isn't that whats so great about a Lexus? Luxury, but with toyota know how and reliability. Now if it came off of a KIA line I'd turn away from the purchase.


    Thats the thing about the FN manufacturing, some companies advertise this, which I think is makes sense, I would too. I know FN makes a great barrel, so when I see that advertised I am inclined to buy that barrel. There are variables like gas port size and requested QC to keep in mind.

    To me unless you are hiding something negative whats to lose by disclosing this information? Is BCM hiding something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS951 View Post
    There are variables like gas port size and requested QC to keep in mind
    You do realize that a change in Quality Control is a change in the production process which adds to production costs which means changing to a lower quality process costs more not less.

    It may be that a company buying barrels from FN have lower Quality Assurance standards than other companies. It could be that a company is willing to buy a barrel that FN would consider a blem or is a reject. But you can bet FN had good QC processes in place to eliminate rejects because rejected parts add to production costs and reduce profits. It just doesn't make sense that a vendor would ask for a change in specs that will reduce the performance of the product when those changes will add to production costs
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    You do realize that a change in Quality Control is a change in the production process which adds to production costs which means changing to a lower quality process costs more not less.
    No, I disagree with you. I do not mean change in manufacturing process, which is what you are saying. I mean eliminating testing and inspection procedures and lowering the threshold for letting finish blemishes through.

    Which comes full circle to my point of saying who makes your barrel unless you are ashamed of who it is. Regardless of spec a good company is not going to make a crap barrel. Regardless of spec a crap company will struggle to make a good barrel.

    But honestly none of the forging companies are bad. FN seems to be the best, so maybe if you don't use FN you would still try to conceal that, but still to me I see it as silly.

    Car companies subcontract much of a car, all those parts are stamped with that sub contractors name. Bosch for instance, or continental, are big names in the VW group. The car companies name may be on it too, but they don't hide the manufacturers name. So why do some, but not most, conceal it? Some don't advertise it, but BCM has done a good job of all together concealing it.

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    There could be many reasons for the secrecy and it likely varies by company.

    - There "could" be an NDA as part of the contract to MFG. Court isn't where you want to spend your profits.
    - In the case of BCM, "IF" they source their barrels from Colt Canada, what do you think that does to their "Bravo Company USA" branding? - Not saying this is the case, but if it were my company I wouldn't let that information leak out. Heck, it would even be a stretch for them to use FN and maintain their USA branding from a consumer and marketing perspective.
    - Both or any of the above reasons are quite valid and you should either accept it and move on or shop elsewhere.

    To be 100% crystal clear: I have no knowledge of, nor do I care, where BCM sources its barrels from, this is purely a speculative example as to why a company might withhold this kind of information.

    As to auto's....Lexus is nothing more than a re-badged Toyota. It is a brand name and most of the components, that matter, are identical and 2x the cost. Again, branding and marketing.
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    There is a difference between the barrel manufacturer's quality control and the buyer's (BCM, PSA, Centurion, Noveske) rejection rate.

    THIS IS PURLY AN EXAMPLE NOT FACT:
    BCM orders 1000 BFH barrels from FN.
    BCM rejects 400 of them for whatever reason BCM has to reject them.
    FN in turn calls PSA and says "Hey PSA, we have 400 barrels here that you guys can have for a discounted price."
    PSA says "Send those sombitches!" and has a huge sale.
    FN engraves PSA on the BCM rejected barrels and ships them out.
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    It doesn't really happen like that. I don't think that most manufacturers are worried about their own specifications, they worry about others spec's from the same source. Naming the source implies to some level the same part, when it really doesn't. It may also not be beneficial if a manufacturer finds an improved source with the implication of it being sourced elsewhere. Being married to another company in the component level, real or implied carries both benefits and negatives. It seems wise for most to error on the side of caution.

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