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    I just had an experience with a similarly bad round. This is a factory WWB 9mm cartridge. It's from a batch of replacement ammunition that I received from Winchester after sending in (on their dime) a bunch of Ammoman-purchased NATO 9mm which was VERY unevenly loaded. After several near squibs and one actual squib with the Winchester NATO 9mm, this is a round from their replacement offering (they would not send me replacement NATO because they said this ammunition was only for the military). If so, I worry for the guys using it.... So, suffice it to say, I'm sort of on the fence when it comes to Winny ammunition right now.

    Oh, and of course, they said they could find zero fault with the ammunition I sent in. I'm just shooting G19's and a G34. No aftermarket barrels or similar mods to the guns. Guns have been fine with any other ammo.


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    [QUOTE=Solid;197580]
    Quote Originally Posted by Solid View Post
    There are different levels of steel. With extremely different properties. The casings are no where near the same strength as a chamber or extractor.

    That rhetoric sounds like you would be a fool to use metal casings in a metal chamber.
    I'm pretty sure my quote says "steel on steel", but I could be reading my quote wrong.

    Can you list the "different levels of steel. With extremely different properties"? What is there composition, or property makeup so we can make an informed opinion about the shell casings???
    Last edited by AllAmerican; 07-29-08 at 21:08. Reason: original post by Solid

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    Wolf makes their cases from very mild (low carbon) steel. It will not harm your rifle. Your barrel and extractor are much harder and tougher than Wolf cartridge cases. Many, if not most, countries, including the good old US of A have used steel cartridge cases. People who say they will harm your rifle are ignorant at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MBRMan View Post
    Wolf makes their cases from very mild (low carbon) steel. It will not harm your rifle. Your barrel and extractor are much harder and tougher than Wolf cartridge cases. Many, if not most, countries, including the good old US of A have used steel cartridge cases. People who say they will harm your rifle are ignorant at best.

    MBR
    Ouch! you been talking with my old lady? I may not be a metalurgist but
    I know several AR manufacturer's manuals state shooting metal cased ammo will void the warranty...and you DON'T want to void the warranty...hell your rifle may fail in a fire fight and you'll pay hell getting a refund!

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    [QUOTE=AllAmerican;198291]
    Quote Originally Posted by Solid View Post

    I'm pretty sure my quote says "steel on steel", but I could be reading my quote wrong.

    Can you list the "different levels of steel. With extremely different properties"? What is there composition, or property makeup so we can make an informed opinion about the shell casings???
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AISI_steel_grades

    Are you suggesting that Wolf casings are made with steel on par with extractors, bolts, or chambers?

    There is even a Wolf wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Ammunition

    There theory goes further than mine stating that due to the coating there is never any steel on steel contact to begin with.
    Last edited by Solid; 07-29-08 at 22:06. Reason: WOLF wiki, LOL

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    Wow, I didnt think I would start a steel on steel debate. I just wanted to be shure it was an ammo problem not a gun problem. That one round was the only bad round, I opened six more boxes and didnt see any problems with any other rounds. I also looked the gun over and it looks fine. I realy love this rifle!

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    I never said there weren't other issues associated with Wolf ammo, just that steel cases will not harm your rifle. They probably will not honor their warranty if you fire Wolf simply because they don't want to deal with the inevitable myriad of customers saying their rifles are short stroking. Wolf is known to be a little underpowered, somewhat dirty, and inaccurate. It's fine for plinking though.

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    I have been shooting allot of Wolf in my TE gas piston uppers just to get my round counts up, and I can tell ya it is inconsistent, both in the pressures and case size! It is dirty and not as accurate as some of the other ammo, but it is priced right and is very good for practice ammo. You should make sure you have a 100% nato 5.56 chamber in your barrel and not any of the match or wylde chambers or you WILL have problems with stuck FTE cases. A tight chamber making the cases stick could present some extractor damage if it happens enough, but with a nato chamber I have not found any extractor damage in my TE uppers after all the wolf I have shot.
    Many different countries have used steel cased ammo in different rifle platforms and have not had any problems. In WW2 due to brass shortages steel cased ammo was manufactured and used by most of the armies.....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAUSER202 View Post
    Wow, I didnt think I would start a steel on steel debate. I just wanted to be shure it was an ammo problem not a gun problem. That one round was the only bad round, I opened six more boxes and didnt see any problems with any other rounds. I also looked the gun over and it looks fine. I realy love this rifle!
    No problems, people tend to get off target here.....
    If you think the ammo is OK go ahead and use it. I think you just got a bad round. Personally, I will steer clear of Wolf ammo in general and steel case ammo w/polymer in particular. Just my preference. These arguments can go on for months, and frankly, I don't have the energy for it that I use to.

    Good shooting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoundFX View Post
    I just had an experience with a similarly bad round. This is a factory WWB 9mm cartridge. It's from a batch of replacement ammunition that I received from Winchester after sending in (on their dime) a bunch of Ammoman-purchased NATO 9mm which was VERY unevenly loaded. After several near squibs and one actual squib with the Winchester NATO 9mm, this is a round from their replacement offering (they would not send me replacement NATO because they said this ammunition was only for the military). If so, I worry for the guys using it.... So, suffice it to say, I'm sort of on the fence when it comes to Winny ammunition right now.

    Oh, and of course, they said they could find zero fault with the ammunition I sent in. I'm just shooting G19's and a G34. No aftermarket barrels or similar mods to the guns. Guns have been fine with any other ammo.


    SFX
    I guess the old practice of eye balling each round as its loaded into the mag pays off huh.
    I thought it was just my OCD.
    My primary concern has always been loose bullets and high primers.

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