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    Quote Originally Posted by MAUSER202 View Post
    No it is not steel cased. It is privi partsan brass cased nato spec M193. You can see in the photo that it is brass cased. The head stamp is "PPU07 5.56x45"
    It is just boxed by Wolf, Wolf dosnt actually make all their own ammo.
    I missed the picture.... Yes I'd say that is a just a bad round...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAUSER202 View Post
    No it is not steel cased. It is privi partsan brass cased nato spec M193. You can see in the photo that it is brass cased. The head stamp is "PPU07 5.56x45"
    It is just boxed by Wolf, Wolf dosnt actually make all their own ammo.
    I stay with quality Ammo. that gets quality control batch inspections. Black Hills does this even with their reloaded Ammos.

    LM&T fires all their ARs before shipping them even the fast selling line of Defender 2000s. They try really hard to ship a quality rifle IMO. I sure don't think it's a LM&T problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VMI-MO View Post
    I have personally shot plenty of Wolf steel cased stuff from my LMT and my range buddies have also. Never any problems. The most Wolf I have ever put through it without cleaning is probabley in the area of 250-300rds. The only weapons that have problems with it is a RRA and Bushmaster when they get hot.

    Do not believe all the hype. Try it out in your own weapon and see if it runs. If it does run good, more cheap practice. If it jams your rifle every 100 rounds or so you will get good at clearing malfunctions. Which is good IMHO.

    Wolf is dirty though So just be smart and bring the right gear to the range to prevent badness.

    As for the steel casing hurting your chamber. Your chambers steel is MUCH MUCH harder.

    Check out http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu18.htm and read up on wolf
    Cool artical, Thanks. What kind of groups can you get with the wolf and your LMT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifleshooter View Post
    Myself I would never ever use Wolf Ammo. in any firearm my own or even a rental.
    I wouldn't shoot steel cased ammo through a AR rifle either no matter the manufacturer however I do shoot it through this and have never had the slightest problem...

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    [QUOTE=hillmillenia;197515]I wouldn't shoot steel cased ammo through a AR rifle either no matter the manufacturer however I do shoot it through this and have never had the slightest problem...

    +1 Now there is a weapon that I might shoot steel case ammo in,,, If someone gave the ammo to me. I have not heard any 'hype' about it. As far as extensive use of brass case ammo, I only have my military background to fall back on, and I could not guess how many thousands of rounds I fired in 22 months in SE Asia. I think if it was good ammo the military would have picked up on it. There must be something about shooting steel on steel......
    I have asked a few knowledgable gunsmiths about it and they all said stay away from steel case ammo in an AR. Especially a good rifle.
    Just the steel on steel is contrary to everything I know about weapons.....
    For me it is a no brainer, I will not go there. If works for you more power to you. Just my .02 worth.
    Good Shooting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAUSER202 View Post
    I took my new LMT to the range today to sight it in. I was using Wolf boxed Privi Partsan m193. All went well for about 150 rounds. On the last Mag I was shooting double tap shots and the gun jammed. I tried the foward assist, I tried to pull the charging handle back and couldnt pull it back. It had a live round stuck in the chamber.
    I took me a while to figure out what to do. I finally was able to push out both take down pins( just the rear wouldnt work because the carrier was back against the buffer about 3/16") and remove the upper. The bolt was stuck part was near the lugs but the carrier could rock back and forth a little. I was able to get a screw driver and gently pry between the lug area and the front of the carrier. It didnt require much force at all. The round looks messed up where the bullet seats(see pic) . Is this an ammo problem or a rifle problem? I didnt try anymore rounds after this. I took the rifle home and cleaned it. It realy wasnt that dirty.
    Funny thing was the range master sugested that I try knocking the round out from the barrel end with a cleaning rod!
    Thanks for any help.

    I had seen this condition a couple of times in factory loaded 45. It has been many years since I've seen it though. It happened with UMC 45. From reloading years ago my guess would be it happened during the crimping stage but again this is just a guess. It is good pratice to inspect each round when loading mags, I used to not do this (trusted the manufacture's QC) but due age and experiences (such as your's) I load mags slower and inspect each round as I go now.

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    Looks like a QC issue with the ammo, not with your gun. As far as Wolf goes everyone has their own opinion on the steel cased stuff. I run it almost exclusively in my AK, but my AR and Mini-14 have never seen a steel cased round. It's just my preference, doesn't mean it's right.

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    [QUOTE=AllAmerican;197545]
    Quote Originally Posted by hillmillenia View Post
    I wouldn't shoot steel cased ammo through a AR rifle either no matter the manufacturer however I do shoot it through this and have never had the slightest problem...

    +1 Now there is a weapon that I might shoot steel case ammo in,,, If someone gave the ammo to me. I have not heard any 'hype' about it. As far as extensive use of brass case ammo, I only have my military background to fall back on, and I could not guess how many thousands of rounds I fired in 22 months in SE Asia. I think if it was good ammo the military would have picked up on it. There must be something about shooting steel on steel......
    I have asked a few knowledgable gunsmiths about it and they all said stay away from steel case ammo in an AR. Especially a good rifle.
    Just the steel on steel is contrary to everything I know about weapons.....
    For me it is a no brainer, I will not go there. If works for you more power to you. Just my .02 worth.
    Good Shooting!
    Jack
    There are different levels of steel. With extremely different properties. The casings are no where near the same strength as a chamber or extractor.

    That rhetoric sounds like you would be a fool to use metal casings in a metal chamber.

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    Ive shot alot of the Wolf steel cased ammo over the years with only a few issues.
    It is underpowered,dirty and can be unreliable at times due to being dirty and under powered.I know for a fact the .45ACP cases have incorrect rims...so some 1911's dont eject very well.
    In 5.56 I personally prefer the 62gr. FMJ.The bullets have much more pronounced bearing surface and are more accurate in my opinion.
    IMHO it is only good for range use and training.The reason I say its good for training is that it opens up the door for possible weapon failures such as jams due to the reasons posted above.This gives a person more experience with how to properly and immediately clear a weapon.Kind of a rotten reason to use the ammo though I agree.
    Overall the Wolf is fairly accurate and reliable considering how cheap the price is.Being affordable it allows me to spend more time behind the trigger which helps my wallet out dramatically considering how much time I spend at the range.
    Key to using the Wolf in an AR is to do PM on the weapon after each use.That includes using a bore brush to remove the crap from the chamber.I'd recommend a bore solvent like Hoppe's No.9 to aid in cleaning rather than just CLP.
    As far as the steel cases...they are extremely soft and I do not think they could come close to damaging a chromed chamber.
    I will say I do not go out of my way to buy the wolf.If its available cheap locally I'll buy it.Otherwise I use UMC,Fed,WIN or BH for range ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAUSER202 View Post
    No it is not steel cased. It is privi partsan brass cased nato spec M193. You can see in the photo that it is brass cased. The head stamp is "PPU07 5.56x45"
    It is just boxed by Wolf, Wolf dosnt actually make all their own ammo.
    At least in other calibers, Wolf Gold is the PRVI made line. I bought a bunch of 303 and 6.5x55 and I bought both the Wolf Gold and PRVI marked boxes and was surprised to see they were the same... And the prices were different. Wolf Gold was more expensive than the PP marked boxes. Good info to know!
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