Glock Haters ... You Will Not Like This Story

[brickboy240]

This story does not surprise me in the least.

We have an older local range that leases guns and they also say that the Gen 2 and 3 G17 and G19s have been the most trouble free of all the guns they rent out. Their rental Glocks look absolutely terrible but the guys working there say they are totally reliable.

So nope...I don't doubt that story at all and it is one reason I will never ditch my 2nd gen G17 or my 3rd gen G19. They just flat out run and give little trouble.

[HansTheHobbit]

This story does not surprise me in the least.

We have an older local range that leases guns and they also say that the Gen 2 and 3 G17 and G19s have been the most trouble free of all the guns they rent out. Their rental Glocks look absolutely terrible but the guys working there say they are totally reliable.

So nope...I don't doubt that story at all and it is one reason I will never ditch my 2nd gen G17 or my 3rd gen G19. They just flat out run and give little trouble.

Hopefully the gen 5 will be as reliable as the gen 2 and older gen 3s.

[brickboy240]

Wasn't the only thing that plagued the Gen 4 guns was the 9mm versions kicking brass to the face?

I am pretty sure the powers that be at Glock are well aware of this problem by now.

Any word on when a Gen 5 Glock is due out or what models will be first? I have not heard anything about this yet.

I can also believe the G17 story because my own gen 2 G17 that I bought in 1996 is still running along just fine. I swapped the recoil spring for a newer one a few years ago but to this day...I can honestly not remember this pistol jamming or giving any troubles. Some sort of miracle...but I believe it because I have lived it. This also makes it hard for me to buy an newer one! LOL

[HansTheHobbit]

Wasn't the only thing that plagued the Gen 4 guns was the 9mm versions kicking brass to the face?

I am pretty sure the powers that be at Glock are well aware of this problem by now.

Any word on when a Gen 5 Glock is due out or what models will be first? I have not heard anything about this yet.

I can also believe the G17 story because my own gen 2 G17 that I bought in 1996 is still running along just fine. I swapped the recoil spring for a newer one a few years ago but to this day...I can honestly not remember this pistol jamming or giving any troubles. Some sort of miracle...but I believe it because I have lived it. This also makes it hard for me to buy an newer one! LOL

The problem was limited to late gen3 and gen4 9mm and .40 as far as I could tell. After researching all the material on it, I theorize that MIM was to blame. There was a guy on one forum who took detailed measurements of the MIM extractors and claimed that they were not as consistent as the machined ones. That's just one guy on the internet, though.

[brickboy240]

Yes...I had one of those brass to face 3rd gen G19s. However, an Apex extractor totally made the problem go away.

If Glock would fix this and ditch the finger grooves...all will be well in Glock Land! LOL

[HansTheHobbit]

I hope MIM goes away permanently. I know the story, and I'm probably going to catch a lot of flak for this, but I've never seen MIM do anything good for any gun. Everybody always says MIM must be great because Wilson used it. Well, Wilson used it for a short time in their lower cost 1911s, and now they don't anymore. I wouldn't call that a success story. I would also venture to guess that those MIM parts were either hand fitted or non critical, as every critical part in a custom 1911 is hand fitted. So Wilson probably saw more success with MIM than any mass producer ever would. Like I said, I know the story about how MIM is more precise than CNC, but I just don't buy into it.

[brickboy240]

Depends on where MIM is put.

I don't think a MIM mainspring housing on a 1911 is terrible. I get queasy thinking about MIM on a hammer, slide stop or extractor.

Besides, how much more IS it to put a MIM extractor in the new Glocks vs. a machined one? If it made the new Glock cost 10 bucks more...but the thing ran like the Gen 2 guns..wouldn't you pay it without a whimper? I think most people would.

[Koshinn]

Customers want what they see in movies, TV or video games.

We don’t use the M&P’s enough to give any valid information. -There isn’t a demand for them because they aren’t in video games,

But Sam Jackson uses one in the Marvel movies! And many people use them in the TV show Agents of SHIELD (which makes sense).

[HansTheHobbit]

Depends on where MIM is put.

I don't think a MIM mainspring housing on a 1911 is terrible. I get queasy thinking about MIM on a hammer, slide stop or extractor.

Besides, how much more IS it to put a MIM extractor in the new Glocks vs. a machined one? If it made the new Glock cost 10 bucks more...but the thing ran like the Gen 2 guns..wouldn't you pay it without a whimper? I think most people would.

Amen to that!

[Trajan]

Wasn't the only thing that plagued the Gen 4 guns was the 9mm versions kicking brass to the face?

I am pretty sure the powers that be at Glock are well aware of this problem by now.

Any word on when a Gen 5 Glock is due out or what models will be first? I have not heard anything about this yet.

I can also believe the G17 story because my own gen 2 G17 that I bought in 1996 is still running along just fine. I swapped the recoil spring for a newer one a few years ago but to this day...I can honestly not remember this pistol jamming or giving any troubles. Some sort of miracle...but I believe it because I have lived it. This also makes it hard for me to buy an newer one! LOL

Gen 2 guns give some people BTF as well.

There is no Gen 5. And if there was, you people would be complaining about it anyway.