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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrioticDisorder View Post
    I read the entire majority opinion on Heller and it sure as hell does not give enough wiggle room to ban anything other than a single shot firearm.

    Yes it does.

    It does not set any type of threshold for the quickness in which a gun can fire, size of ammunition, or the number of rounds a firearm can hold.

    Any class of gun can be banned.
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    Honestly- if you really think about it, we have had a guy in office for 7 years and nothing on the issues of assault rifles or NFA items have been touched. They have been talked about many times over but no executive order, no legislation. Only talk and no action. Think about this current administration and what we have still on the table, makes my head turn.

    Besides California, Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York. You can still have:

    assault rifles
    Hi cap magazines
    SBR's-$200
    Suppressors-$200
    80% lowers- think about that! That just seems like a high priority for Barry- it doesn't even seem legal but it is.
    Laser designators- think about that- those are the things seal team 6 uses- why is that on the streets. (liberal point of view)
    Bulk ammo without paperwork
    Gun show sales
    private sales
    any military style gun


    They wont remove anything from the NFA because there are too many people willing to pay the $200- I bet out of those who are willing to pay $200 would pay $500 if they had to. I consider it to be a small price to pay.

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    They are going to ban imported semi auto rifle caliber "pistols"
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Yes it does.

    It does not set any type of threshold for the quickness in which a gun can fire, size of ammunition, or the number of rounds a firearm can hold.

    Any class of gun can be banned.
    You're making blatant misstatements. Read pages 54 starting under III through the top of page 56 (preferably the entire majority opinion, it's really not that long). Stating "any class of gun can be banned" is a blatant misrepresentation of the majority opinion in Heller Vs. DC.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/pdf/07-290P.ZO

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Silencers are not "hearing protection"

    I am tired of hearing this stupid argument. You are never going to win this issue arguing from this perspective. Liberals and big government statists are never going to buy this argument.
    They are hearing protection, and yes leftist/statist supporters are that stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Heller didn't do shit.

    It said

    "You have a right to own a gun"

    "a gun" is not the same as "any gun"

    This ruling gave enough wiggle room to ban basically any firearm other than a single shot firearm.
    It is a step in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elephant View Post
    Honestly- if you really think about it, we have had a guy in office for 7 years and nothing on the issues of assault rifles or NFA items have been touched. They have been talked about many times over but no executive order, no legislation. Only talk and no action. Think about this current administration and what we have still on the table, makes my head turn.

    Besides California, Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York. You can still have:

    assault rifles
    Hi cap magazines
    SBR's-$200
    Suppressors-$200
    80% lowers- think about that! That just seems like a high priority for Barry- it doesn't even seem legal but it is.
    Laser designators- think about that- those are the things seal team 6 uses- why is that on the streets. (liberal point of view)
    Bulk ammo without paperwork
    Gun show sales
    private sales
    any military style gun


    They wont remove anything from the NFA because there are too many people willing to pay the $200- I bet out of those who are willing to pay $200 would pay $500 if they had to. I consider it to be a small price to pay.
    Do not give them any ideas.

    But just because Barry Soetoro was all talk and no action on this issues does not mean the next leftist sub human will do the some thing. We are lucky he cares more about golf and jet setting then leading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyCumia View Post
    Do not give them any ideas.

    But just because Barry Soetoro was all talk and no action on this issues does not mean the next leftist sub human will do the some thing. We are lucky he cares more about golf and jet setting then leading.
    who knows. I hate to think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyCumia View Post
    Thank you, if you are "meeting in the middle" as the the enemy is always moving towards tyranny where will you be moving towards?
    ^^THIS^^
    The "Progressives" don't compromise (well, except of course their souls to evil, that is).

    Quote Originally Posted by scooter22 View Post
    If most people knew suppressors were legal for civilians to own, they would be gone.

    Some of you need to stop living in fantasy land, and accept that firearms are too accessible to crazies.
    Cars, alcohol, knives, hammers, are too accessible to crazies. Register them all. Ban them in fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by scooter22 View Post
    If you think that firearms should be accessible to every citizen in the US, you are exceptionally deluded.

    This is the kind of BS that gives firearm enthusiasts a bad rep.
    Free adult citizens (proper citizens, not illegals, terrorists, etc.) should have the right to keep and bear arms, as per the Constitution.
    Having a "bad rap" to Progressives is actually a reliable sign that something is a good idea.
    When Progressives declare something as "common sense", then that means it is a horrible idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by scooter22 View Post
    So keep everything as it is, and let the crazies go around shooting up schools?

    Makes sense to me...
    Crazies shooting up schools might have something to do with those "gun free zones", i.e. disarmed victims zone.
    Crazies also stab people en masse. What kinds of "knife control" should be have?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33...g-spree-n41966

    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyCumia View Post
    When/where are they not? In some nations like North Korea/Iran/Cuba, ect they are the only ones with them and they hide behind the badge of "the state"
    Great point.
    Crazies shooting up schools is terrible. So is democide at the hands of the state. The latter is simply ignored when discussing gun control, but is a historically inevitable outcome of civilian disarmament.

    Quote Originally Posted by oberstgreup View Post
    No, we can't. It's not up to us. It's up to the entire electorate, the vast majority of whom are not in either camp. We can shout "No retreat, no surrender!" til we're blue in the face, but if 51% of the voters decide they agree with the other side, there is not a single thing we can do about it.

    This is not war and it isn't football, it's politics. Politics doesn't work like war or football. You don't win at politics by knocking heads, you win by persuading people that you are right. This requires rational discussion, not fanaticism. No retreats is a fine goal and I agree with it but by itself making that pledge accomplishes nothing.
    The vast majority of the electorate do not/should not negate the existence of natural rights.
    Saying no retreat, no surrender actually works. The gay marriage crowd did not get what they wanted by saying "let's compromise". You win by dictating the terms of battle.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Silencers are not "hearing protection"

    I am tired of hearing this stupid argument. You are never going to win this issue arguing from this perspective. Liberals and big government statists are never going to buy this argument.
    Silencers are the same thing as mufflers for your car.
    Try driving around without a muffler. See how fast the law would be on our ass.
    Silencers are a tool to minimize noise pollution, and hearing damage.

    Quote Originally Posted by elephant View Post
    Honestly- if you really think about it, we have had a guy in office for 7 years and nothing on the issues of assault rifles or NFA items have been touched. They have been talked about many times over but no executive order, no legislation. Only talk and no action. Think about this current administration and what we have still on the table, makes my head turn.

    Besides California, Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York. You can still have:

    assault rifles
    Hi cap magazines
    SBR's-$200
    Suppressors-$200
    80% lowers- think about that! That just seems like a high priority for Barry- it doesn't even seem legal but it is.
    Laser designators- think about that- those are the things seal team 6 uses- why is that on the streets. (liberal point of view)
    Bulk ammo without paperwork
    Gun show sales
    private sales
    any military style gun

    They wont remove anything from the NFA because there are too many people willing to pay the $200- I bet out of those who are willing to pay $200 would pay $500 if they had to. I consider it to be a small price to pay.
    If you had to pay a $200 tax to exercise your other Constitutionally-protected natural rights, would you be OK with that?
    Sure, things could be worse, but that's hardly a reason to tolerate such a situation. Living under the British *could have been worse*. It still justified revolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrioticDisorder View Post
    You're making blatant misstatements. Read pages 54 starting under III through the top of page 56 (preferably the entire majority opinion, it's really not that long). Stating "any class of gun can be banned" is a blatant misrepresentation of the majority opinion in Heller Vs. DC.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/pdf/07-290P.ZO

    What class of gun is safe from further banning? Give me a direct answer.

    Single shot?
    Pump action shotgun?
    Detachable box magazine fed semi auto rifle?

    I am waiting for your answer.
    "Not every thing on Earth requires an aftermarket upgrade." demigod/markm

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